Would you? Could you?

[PoliticalChic]

If you voted for Obama in the last election, knowing what you know now about him, would you vote for him again if the election was tomorrow?

OMG-

Sorry, I thought this thread was about Green Eggs and Ham.

Is that a rock group?

I do not like them
in a house.
I do not like them
with a mouse.
I do not like them
here or there.
I do not like them
anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

The Right-leaning atmosphere or environment of American politics makes it nearly impossible for a non-conservative President to get anything done

Oh, come on, Coloradomtnman... Surely you jest. The Democrats have complete control of both the House and the Senate. There isn't anything they can't pass into law if they so choose to do so. There isn't enough Republican resistance in either House of Congress to stop the Democrats from a pure old cake walk if that is what they desire.

Then why are they so spineless about politics? What is it with Democrats?! They're such pussies!

You can't blame any of Obama's short-comings on the Republicans or conservatives. He is loosing support from his own party because they are beginning to see him for what he is.

Which is what? A marxist?! He isn't! If you ever studied Marxism or socialism then you'd know that Obama ISN'T an adherent of either philosophy. I think he thinks more like Bill Maher, capitalism works but shouldn't be used everywhere (like healthcare and news media).

If this stupid health care bill he is pushing so hard for doesn't make it into law the Democrats are going to run from him like rats on a sinking ship.

Its stupid all over. Its like Matchbox 20, attempting to be inoffensive to everyone but everyone hates it. (edit)

The Democrats couldn't pass health care reform before because they wanted it to be government controlled. It isn't going to pass this time either because people don't want government controlled health care.

I don't think you can know that. I think a lot of people want healthcare reform, and if the government doesn't do it, who will? Surely not the insurance and pharmaceutical companies (and their legal representatives) who are making billions in profits.

I agree that reform is needed but the US government has absolutely no business in the health care business. It isn't something dictated by the Constitution.

Well, that's debatable and I don't know enough to get into that kind of debate.

You can't hang Obama's failures on the Republicans. That shirt just doesn't fit.

But you can't deny that the GOP is a contributing factor in his struggles. They say "NO!" to everything he proposes even if its a continuation of Bush's policies that they earlier supported (like the corporate bailouts). And I don't blame everything on the Republicans, I mean, Obama did continue the corporate bailouts. He might've had the best intentions and was looking out for all those middle-class working-class Americans who might've ended up tanking when Chrysler, GMC, etc. were looking at Chapter 11 or even just drastically reducing production, but that's capitalism! Right? Those huge companies would've went under, taking smaller businesses with them, and new businesses would've had a chance to flourish (like aspens and wildflowers after a forest fire that destroys the pine population).

 

[MaggieMae]

But what I'm most disappointed about is with the political backlash from the Right since his election, the Obama administration has weakened, and the US government and therfore its people have also been weakened.

CMM, I think you're giving the GOP machine way too much credit for the decline in the administrations clout and popularity. My take is that the voters were expecting Obama to make the economy bounce back in a few months - remember, most of them have the attention span of fleas, and besides, hardly anyone in this country knows squat about economics.

...including Obama.

You don't need to be an economics Ph.D to realize that when the U.S. financial system crashes, with losses in the trillions literally overnight, the effect is no longer local, or even national, but global. The fixes in place, while not perfect, needed to start at the foundation and is beginning to build itself up again, just as one would if his home was ripped from its foundations during a tornado. You don't start again by building a roof.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

so based on your prattle people on the right are not Americans, or they have somehow weakened themselves by being so powerful as to weaken obama and the government? so if they as a tiny minority are so powerful how did they weaken themselves by having such imense power?

What? When did I ever say that conservatives or people on the Right are not Americans?

I'm sorry, but who are you and why are you acting like an asshole to me? What have I done to you? Nice to meet you too!

you must not even pay attention to what the fuck you say before you say it. get back on your mountain with the fucking billy goats

Good one.

I would go back to my mountain, but sooner or later Republicans will come along and drill for oil on it, or pit mine it, or develop it into a parking lot or condos or allow some rancher to graze his cattle on it - if I live long enough avoiding being shot during hunting season by drunk red-necks.

 

[Oscar Wao]

You don't need to be an economics Ph.D

I didn't say that either...that would be foolish. But Obama has practically ZERO experience that has ANYTHING to do with economics (not just in the academic sense either).

He's just gaining it now.

 

[Fatality]

Agreed: people who didn't vote for him are obviously missing something.

yeah they are, their hard earned cash

How have you lost money since Obama became president that was directly his fault. Shall I wait?

yeah, evertime one of you welfare recipients goes and trades in one of your piece of crap cars

 

[Fatality]

so based on your prattle people on the right are not Americans, or they have somehow weakened themselves by being so powerful as to weaken obama and the government? so if they as a tiny minority are so powerful how did they weaken themselves by having such imense power?

What? When did I ever say that conservatives or people on the Right are not Americans?

I'm sorry, but who are you and why are you acting like an asshole to me? What have I done to you? Nice to meet you too!

you must not even pay attention to what the fuck you say before you say it. get back on your mountain with the fucking billy goats

Good one.

I would go back to my mountain, but sooner or later Republicans will come along and drill for oil on it, or pit mine it, or develop it into a parking lot or condos or allow some rancher to graze his cattle on it - if I live long enough avoiding being shot during hunting season by drunk red-necks.

hiding on your mountain is hardly being a good commie, youre a slacker not providing for the rest of us

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Who is this guy^?

Why are you acting like a complete jerk?

 

[MaggieMae]

yeah they are, their hard earned cash

How have you lost money since Obama became president that was directly his fault. Shall I wait?

yeah, evertime one of you welfare recipients goes and trades in one of your piece of crap cars

Are you even old enough to drive?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

yeah they are, their hard earned cash

How have you lost money since Obama became president that was directly his fault. Shall I wait?

yeah, evertime one of you welfare recipients goes and trades in one of your piece of crap cars

What, like a Ford Explorer?

 

[editec]

Running against who, exactly?

If I were running, for example, I'd vote for myself.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

hiding on your mountain is hardly being a good commie, youre a slacker not providing for the rest of us

Very clever. I can see interacting with you is going to be a real pleasure!

 

[Alan Partridge]

Who is this guy^?

Why are you acting like a complete jerk?

I haven't been here long, but it appears that he likes to kick the shit around.

He's got a few good points.

 

[Fatality]

hiding on your mountain is hardly being a good commie, youre a slacker not providing for the rest of us

Very clever. I can see interacting with you is going to be a real pleasure!

yes for me it will be, tormenting my enemies is always pleasurable

 

[eagleseven]

But you can't deny that the GOP is a contributing factor in his struggles. They say "NO!" to everything he proposes even if its a continuation of Bush's policies that they earlier supported (like the corporate bailouts). And I don't blame everything on the Republicans, I mean, Obama did continue the corporate bailouts. He might've had the best intentions and was looking out for all those middle-class working-class Americans who might've ended up tanking when Chrysler, GMC, etc. were looking at Chapter 11 or even just drastically reducing production, but that's capitalism! Right? Those huge companies would've went under, taking smaller businesses with them, and new businesses would've had a chance to flourish (like aspens and wildflowers after a forest fire that destroys the pine population).

I'm glad that even you see the benefits of Capitalism. There is no reason the Government should reward and subsidize failure. GM is a failure. Ford is successful. If ANYTHING, we should be pouring our money into Ford, not GM.

But anyways, the "Party of NO" line does not work. Why? Fact of the matter is, the GOP has been neutered in this last election. They have virtually zero power in Washington. The American people have given the Democrats full control of the Government (a rare thing), and the ball is firmly in their court.

Right now, the dynamic is between Mr. Obama, his Democrat-Supermajority Congress, and the American people. If Mr. Obama is becoming unpopular, it is because of his own actions.

But "Obama inherited the problems from Bush!" you say. If Mr. Obama was not prepared to handle the problems from the last Administration, he should have stepped down in the Primaries.

If Obama cannot handle Bush's problems, he should resign and give the Presidency to someone who can.

Simple as that.

 

[Alan Partridge]

But you can't deny that the GOP is a contributing factor in his struggles. They say "NO!" to everything he proposes even if its a continuation of Bush's policies that they earlier supported (like the corporate bailouts). And I don't blame everything on the Republicans, I mean, Obama did continue the corporate bailouts. He might've had the best intentions and was looking out for all those middle-class working-class Americans who might've ended up tanking when Chrysler, GMC, etc. were looking at Chapter 11 or even just drastically reducing production, but that's capitalism! Right? Those huge companies would've went under, taking smaller businesses with them, and new businesses would've had a chance to flourish (like aspens and wildflowers after a forest fire that destroys the pine population).

I'm glad that even you see the benefits of Capitalism. There is no reason the Government should reward and subsidize failure. GM is a failure. Ford is successful. If ANYTHING, we should be pouring our money into Ford, not GM.

But anyways, the "Party of NO" line does not work. Why? Fact of the matter is, the GOP has been neutered in this last election. They have virtually zero power in Washington. The American people have given the Democrats full control of the Government (a rare thing), and the ball is firmly in their court.

Right now, the dynamic is between Mr. Obama, his Democrat-Supermajority Congress, and the American people. If Mr. Obama is becoming unpopular, it is because of his own actions.

But "Obama inherited the problems from Bush!" you say. If Mr. Obama was not prepared to handle the problems from the last Administration, he should have stepped down in the Primaries.

If Obama cannot handle Bush's problems, he should resign and give the Presidency to someone who can.

Simple as that.

smart talk from a Brit...

 

[alan1]

Agreed: people who didn't vote for him are obviously missing something.

yeah they are, their hard earned cash

Really? Have your taxes gone up because of recent federal bills passing into law?

Mine have. Tobacco taxes were raised.
Next question.

 

[Fatality]

How have you lost money since Obama became president that was directly his fault. Shall I wait?

yeah, evertime one of you welfare recipients goes and trades in one of your piece of crap cars

What, like a Ford Explorer?

whatever you welfare recipients like

 

[Darkwind]

Obviously missing: I didn't vote for Obama.

Agreed: people who didn't vote for him are obviously missing something.

yeah. That ability to close your eyes an leap off a tall building without a parachute.

 

[Anguille]

Is the poll public? Otherwise, the results will most likely be gamed.

probably.