Would the Keystone Pipeline be a great economic asset to the United States? Hardly.

[saveliberty]

Steel maker jobs, trucking jobs, local restaurant business from workers, and so on. It all adds up.

 

[saveliberty]

Just say no to American energy independance! We must keep being slaves to Opec! keep the status quo and save the fish!!!!

Please explain how this would contribute to our "energy independence".

Thank you.

Clearly beyond your reading level.

 

[justathought]

I guess independant from the Arabs and Persians. We would still be at the mercy of those damn Socialist allies of ours. Everytime we pump gas we are funding our enemies. Maybe you think Opec nations love us. I guess Chavez and citgo is a better idea. I go bust my ass for a tank of gas at minimum wage for him to call me a devil? no thanks.after 8 hours of work for 50 bucks I'd rather head to Windsor and party.

 

[Crackerjack]

I guess independant from the Arabs and Persians. We would still be at the mercy of those damn Socialist allies of ours. Everytime we pump gas we are funding our enemies. Maybe you think Opec nations love us. I guess Chavez and citgo is a better idea. I go bust my ass for a tank of gas at minimum wage for him to call me a devil? no thanks.after 8 hours of work for 50 bucks I'd rather head to Windsor and party.

People wonder why our presidents kiss Saudi family ass. It's because the green idiots here in the States give them no choice.

Congratulations, kids. Your ignorance funds terrorism. Hope you're happy!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The oil in that pipeline would be processed in the US, so that is permanent work.

Versus the oil being sold to China, refined, and then sold back to us at a steep premium, causing the price of everything to rise.

Way to fuck over the poor for political reasons, leftists.

Would someone please explain to the rw's that this oil will be sold on the world mmarket, refined and then sold back to us or to someone else.

Why is this so hard for the rw's to grasp and understand?

 

[Sallow]

3000 temporary jobs just isn't worth the environmental toll. Had it actually been 20,000 sustainable jobs, I'd be for it. But it's not.

If it had that..and provisions for adequate disaster recovery plans, a requirement that those jobs be held by Americans, a minimum requirement for barrels of oil sold to the US at cost (or a little better) and adequate enviromental impact studies..

I'd be all for it..and this should be part of a package that includes subsidies for alternative energy and high speed rail.

Not extending tax cuts and unemployment.

Why??? Why can't they stand on their own???

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

 

[Intense]

Rick Perry's take on the Kingstone debacle is hysterical. First, he doesn't' know that Canada is a foreign country and not part of the US and second, the nitwit thinks we will have use of the oil.

All things considered, the US gets very little out of this.

But, that won't stop the pubs from shoving it down our throats and then pretending they've produced jobs.

What the US primarily gets out of this is better assurance against Supply Disruption. Could you possibly be more disingenuous? Is there any level you would refuse to stoop to to sell your propaganda and misinform the Masses?

How?

What little oil resulting from the Keystone Pipeline will go on the world market meaning that it will go to big oil. THAT is the real reason the GObP is pushing it.

Don't feel bad for not knowing this. When numbnuts Perry said it, the crowd apparently applauded him.

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So ‘We Don’t Have To Buy From A Foreign Source’ | The New York Times today has a quick run down of the biggest applause lines Rick Perry receives out on the campaign trail in Iowa. The Times reports that the crowd at one of Perry’s speeches “perked up” when the Texas governor talked energy and oil. “Every barrel of oil that comes out of those sands in Canada is a barrel of oil that we don’t have to buy from a foreign source,” Perry said, adding that buying so much energy from foreign countries is “not good policy, it’s not good politics and frankly it‘s un-American.” (HT: JerAHolden)

Perry: U.S. Should Buy More Canadian Oil So 'We Don't Have To Buy From A Foreign Source' | ThinkProgress

(Yes, that's right. The quote is from a (gasp!) liberal site. Feel free to post something different from, oh, say, Blaze or lushbo.

Bullshit. In a crisis, it is already here. All the shit going on with Iran, and you are blind to it. What is your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid anyway??? I'll put in a request for you. I know Infrastructure is a hard word for you to spell, let alone comprehend, so we won't go there.

 

[Intense]

If it had that..and provisions for adequate disaster recovery plans, a requirement that those jobs be held by Americans, a minimum requirement for barrels of oil sold to the US at cost (or a little better) and adequate enviromental impact studies..

I'd be all for it..and this should be part of a package that includes subsidies for alternative energy and high speed rail.

Not extending tax cuts and unemployment.

Why??? Why can't they stand on their own???

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

Bullshit. Maybe the Government should tax alternative energy the way it does oil, gas, and coal. How much does the Government make on a gallon of unleaded regular Sallow? How much does the oil industry profit, at each level of development and distribution? Who are you kidding?

 

[Intense]

If it had that..and provisions for adequate disaster recovery plans, a requirement that those jobs be held by Americans, a minimum requirement for barrels of oil sold to the US at cost (or a little better) and adequate enviromental impact studies..

I'd be all for it..and this should be part of a package that includes subsidies for alternative energy and high speed rail.

Not extending tax cuts and unemployment.

Why??? Why can't they stand on their own???

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

That's pretty funny coming from Green Point, One of the Few Places one can watch the 4th of July Fireworks through barbed wire and razor wire fences. Outside of a Prison, anyway. Green Point, real eco friendly place, huh. Teach us how to live in harmony with nature why don't you. Don't forget to get tested for Hep C if you step in the river.

 

[Sallow]

Why??? Why can't they stand on their own???

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

Bullshit. Maybe the Government should tax alternative energy the way it does oil, gas, and coal. How much does the Government make on a gallon of unleaded regular Sallow? How much does the oil industry profit, at each level of development and distribution? Who are you kidding?

Bullshit what?

In this very thread I illustrated a government that was toppled over oil..Mosaddegh in Iran. He's not alone.

"American interests" are always evoked when dealing with foreign policy. That generally means American access to foreign oil. Domestically? Sheesh. We practically give away public land to oil companies..and provide them with all sorts of services.

You really got this backward.

 

[Intense]

I guess independant from the Arabs and Persians. We would still be at the mercy of those damn Socialist allies of ours. Everytime we pump gas we are funding our enemies. Maybe you think Opec nations love us. I guess Chavez and citgo is a better idea. I go bust my ass for a tank of gas at minimum wage for him to call me a devil? no thanks.after 8 hours of work for 50 bucks I'd rather head to Windsor and party.

People wonder why our presidents kiss Saudi family ass. It's because the green idiots here in the States give them no choice.

Congratulations, kids. Your ignorance funds terrorism. Hope you're happy!

They never seem to see past their own reflection.

 

[Sallow]

Why??? Why can't they stand on their own???

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

That's pretty funny coming from Green Point, One of the Few Places one can watch the 4th of July Fireworks through barbed wire and razor wire fences. Outside of a Prison, anyway. Green Point, real eco friendly place, huh. Teach us how to live in harmony with nature why don't you. Don't forget to get tested for Hep C if you step in the river.

All those "hot" zones were made by what? Public works? Or private interests?

Eh?

 

[Intense]

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

Bullshit. Maybe the Government should tax alternative energy the way it does oil, gas, and coal. How much does the Government make on a gallon of unleaded regular Sallow? How much does the oil industry profit, at each level of development and distribution? Who are you kidding?

Bullshit what?

In this very thread I illustrated a government that was toppled over oil..Mosaddegh in Iran. He's not alone.

"American interests" are always evoked when dealing with foreign policy. That generally means American access to foreign oil. Domestically? Sheesh. We practically give away public land to oil companies..and provide them with all sorts of services.

You really got this backward.

You mean you heavily tax Oil Exploration, and regulate the chance for success out of it.

 

[Intense]

What can't stand on it's own?

The oil industry? Well sure..it can't. It's never been able too.

But you guys don't have any problem with toppling governments, killing thousands of people or crapping on the environment for it.

But watcha gonna do?

That's pretty funny coming from Green Point, One of the Few Places one can watch the 4th of July Fireworks through barbed wire and razor wire fences. Outside of a Prison, anyway. Green Point, real eco friendly place, huh. Teach us how to live in harmony with nature why don't you. Don't forget to get tested for Hep C if you step in the river.

All those "hot" zones were made by what? Public works? Or private interests?

Eh?

Yep, I grew up with Grumman as a neighbor, who did they serve? How about Hooker Chemical? You fail to see Governments role in this.

 

[Sallow]

Bullshit. Maybe the Government should tax alternative energy the way it does oil, gas, and coal. How much does the Government make on a gallon of unleaded regular Sallow? How much does the oil industry profit, at each level of development and distribution? Who are you kidding?

Bullshit what?

In this very thread I illustrated a government that was toppled over oil..Mosaddegh in Iran. He's not alone.

"American interests" are always evoked when dealing with foreign policy. That generally means American access to foreign oil. Domestically? Sheesh. We practically give away public land to oil companies..and provide them with all sorts of services.

You really got this backward.

You mean you heavily tax Oil Exploration, and regulate the chance for success out of it.

Which is why what? The oil industry is the most successful industry in the history of capitalism?

That it's made more profit then all other industries ever devised by private enterprise in history..combined?

Gosh.

 

[saveliberty]

The oil in that pipeline would be processed in the US, so that is permanent work.

Versus the oil being sold to China, refined, and then sold back to us at a steep premium, causing the price of everything to rise.

Way to fuck over the poor for political reasons, leftists.

Would someone please explain to the rw's that this oil will be sold on the world mmarket, refined and then sold back to us or to someone else.

Why is this so hard for the rw's to grasp and understand?

No dumbass, refined oil products are the largest US export. Read for knowledge.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Bullshit what?

In this very thread I illustrated a government that was toppled over oil..Mosaddegh in Iran. He's not alone.

"American interests" are always evoked when dealing with foreign policy. That generally means American access to foreign oil. Domestically? Sheesh. We practically give away public land to oil companies..and provide them with all sorts of services.

You really got this backward.

You mean you heavily tax Oil Exploration, and regulate the chance for success out of it.

Which is why what? The oil industry is the most successful industry in the history of capitalism?

That it's made more profit then all other industries ever devised by private enterprise in history..combined?

Gosh.

And, adding to that profit is our GObP/Repub TAX subsidies.

 

[Sallow]

That's pretty funny coming from Green Point, One of the Few Places one can watch the 4th of July Fireworks through barbed wire and razor wire fences. Outside of a Prison, anyway. Green Point, real eco friendly place, huh. Teach us how to live in harmony with nature why don't you. Don't forget to get tested for Hep C if you step in the river.

All those "hot" zones were made by what? Public works? Or private interests?

Eh?

Yep, I grew up with Grumman as a neighbor, who did they serve? How about Hooker Chemical? You fail to see Governments role in this.

Yeah...I do.

Enablers.

 

[kwc57]

Obama had it right.

According to an independent study conducted by Cornell University Global Labor Institute, the claims of a significant economic boost to the US economy as a result of the pipeline are quite exaggerated. Here is a summary of their findings:




http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

Ok, I'll pretend Cornell is independent and play along.

Lets see; The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650. That's an average of over 3000 people with a job, instead of Zero, which is what we got.

There is strong evidence to suggest that a large portion of the primary material
input for KXL—steel pipe—will not even be produced in the United States. A
substantial amount of pipe has already been manufactured in advance of pipeline
permit issuance. It's called importing. And we will have to pay people to transport the material. ooo, more jobs, which is more that Zero.



And heaven forbid we get oil from somewhere other than the ME.



Oh, and those would have been union jobs. So, why do you hate the unions?

You aren't reading the article. These 3000 some jobs would only be temporary, and gas prices would increase. The environmentalists win this argument.

Hey dumbass.......all jobs are temporary. I've been at my company now for 15 years, but I know it won't last forever based on the other 3 jobs I've had in the same industry that lasted from 5 to 6 years each. Even if your numbers were correct of 2500 to 4650 (which isn't correct by a long shot), that is 2500 to 4650 more than 0. Get the picture? For a president who constantly whines for his Democrat controlled Congress to pass his jobs bill, he doesn't really seem all that interested in actually doing anything to put people to work.

 

[code1211]

Tell that to the critics of Obama on here.

So, just to be clear, we have a job being planned that will create between 5000 jobs on the low end and 20,000 on the high end and you say skip it because you want more? Want less? Don't care? Don't accept that there's a problem with creating jobs?

I don't understand your objection.

Any job like a pipeline job will support 3 others. So we are looking at 15,000 on the low end to 60,000 on the high end.

Also, more oil coming to market will reduce the cost per gallon for gas. We were paying about $1.80 in 2008 and now we covet the $3.00 level.

Why would anyone be against any of this? More jobs, lower gas prices and more gas.

What's the downside?

Where the hell are you getting these numbers from? Did you even read my OP?

Yes, i did. I found it to be biased to the point of being fanciful. I sought another viewpoint and found one in the Minneapolis Star and Tribune. It presents various sides of the argument and various conclusions on the number of jobs produced and how those numbers are supported by the groups that assert their accuracy.

Reading sources that try to present an accurate picture instead of a biased and ridiculous cartoon is something that helps one understand the world more completely.

You should try it sometime.

Fact checker: Keystone pipeline jobs claims | StarTribune.com