Working class favor GOP by 58%

[Charles_Main]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

 

[MaggieMae]

Interesting how you can throw in a few slogans and get massive amounts of people to vote against their own interests.

What is with the leftist snobbery lately?

Who the hell made haughty, socialistic little twirps like you the final arbiters of what's in the best interests of people you know nothing about?

So we should look to narcissistic idealogues like you to look out for our "best interests"?? I think not.

 

[Urkie]

Nope, you are a fool for not recognizing the truth, that unregulated capitalism and or economic libertarianism leads to the economic slavery of the population.

Ron Paul opened my eyes on this issue. It's not that capitalism is failing and needs to be regulated. It's just that we don't really have capitalism in this country anymore. I mean sure, it's based on capitalism but it's much closer to corporatism or even fascism (economic fascism). The wealthy elite get to dictate policies in this country and are destroying the people farther down the ladder in the process.

We need less regulation and more oversight of our own government because it's our government that's allowing these coporations to run the economy.

 

[MaggieMae]

Frankly, I can't wait. I so hope Republicans take away so many seats that they'll be in charge. I'm more than eager to see how they can actually handle the tough stuff. We all know the noobs are very good at platitudinal visions of their potential power, but their effectiveness based on actual capabilities is yet to be determined.

Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. You poor soul. Don't you understand how it works?

Of course they're going to fall on their face. But it will be Barack's fault.

You see, when the WH and Congress are split among parties, anything good that happens is because of the GOP, and anything bad that happens, is because of the Dems. When the GOP has both, anything bad that happens is because of the Dems before and after them.

That's why the Dot-com burst was Clinton's fault, but the balanced budget was because of the GOP congress. The economic expansion during the Reagan years was because of Reagan; The massive debt was because of the Dem congress. So why did we have a meltdown after 8 years of a Republican president while the GOP also had Congress for 6? Simple, because Clinton had signed a bill 9 years earlier, and the Democrats were elected after Bush left office. Anything good that's happened since then has been in spite of the Democrats, and thank god the GOP was able to stop a lot of the Democratic radical agenda, otherwise we'd be much worse off.

In fact, I can't think of a single bad thing that ever happened in our entire history that can be attributed to Republicans.

How bout you Dude? Meister? CG? Zander? Is there anything that's ever happened that wasn't due to big gubbament? Anything ever that the gubbament should have stepped in to prevent, bud didn't? Ever?

If you had half a brain, you would understand that slamming the Dems for their constant stupidity does not equate to support for the GOP. In fact, if you bothered to pay attention to what I actually say, rather than interpreting my words to fit your opinion of me... you would see that I dislike ALL politicians. I have no more patience for the GOP than I do for the Dems..... but don't let facts get in the way of your whining.

I think the facts are, regarding party loyalty, that yes, there are some (not many) who are true independents and perhaps you're one, although I've never seen you take an "independent" stance on anything yet. But most who oppose the Democratic platform and have from the start of this administration are indeed ex-Bush supporters but because his administration visibly screwed up badly, they want no connection to him (and that decade) at all. So they label themselves "Independents." It's a nice safe place to be...just in case the GOP does start doing some practical policy-making, or just in case the Dems happen to be right (correct).

 

[rdean]

The working class is confused. The majority are white and many believe Obama is a "Muslim".

Republicans help send more than 2.4 million jobs to China from 2001 to 2008. They work to move the burden of taxes to the Middle Class. They apologized to BP.

Americans will find out soon enough. Especially, if they elect wackos who want to privatize Social Security, the VA, cut off Medicare and Medicaid.

Fire fighters watching a house burn down is a glimpse of what a Tea Party America would look like.

If Republicans gain control happens, it happens. We already know what their agenda is. It means it will take that much longer for America to "come back", and Republicans will never be trusted again.

 

[MaggieMae]

47.37% of all incomes are less than $25,00 per year
75.39% of all incomes are less than $50,00 per year
88.46% of all incomes are less than $75,00 per year
94.76% of all incomes are less than $100,000 per year
06.24 % of all incomes are MORE than $100,000 per year.

Some of you insist that we live in a classless society.

That's likely because you don't understand the meaning of the word "class" in relation to a capitalist society.

We live in a CASTEless society, not a CLASSless society.

The only way to have a society without class is to have either anarchy or some kind of totalitarian communist nighmare society.

And since both of those are basically impossible to sustain, the theory that any society can be without class distinctions is rather silly.

A classless society is cherished myth, that I understand, but not something that actually exists in this society or any other known to man.

Class is NOT a bad words, folks. It is not a word that only commies use as apparently some of you think based on your objections to the use of the word.

Among other uses of this word, CLASS is a way of describing sets of people within a society whose conditions are similar economically.

The word is highly flexible such that it can be descriptive of all sorts of things.

Blue collar working class or gray collar working class.

Or the class of people whose incomes are derived mostly from investments.

The word itself is VALUES neutral until it is modified by other words that describve the class being described.

All true. It's a given that a person can earn $1,000,000 and still be classless jerk!

 

[MaggieMae]

Poll echoes 1994 swing toward GOP - Spokesman.com - Oct. 7, 2010

What exactly do they expect will happen in the immediate future which will benefit their "working class" lives?

I'm geniunely puzzled.

Oh perhaps Lower JOB KILLING taxes, Relax JOB KILLING regulations, and STOP SPENDING the country into ruin.

To name a few.

I will continue to take issue with these companies who are sitting on trillions in cash and investing in foreign markets to realize even more trillions while people go unemployed JUST BECAUSE they are suddenly afraid of what might come down the pike. Taxes are never going to be high enough to have a snowballing effect of putting one company after another out of business. Regulations as they exist now have managed to be overcome in the past; new regulations to tighten the financial market have been absolutely necessary. Government spending is something that will be addressed, but again, no one seemed to stop hiring just because the government spent like drunken sailors before. Yet suddenly businesses are afraid to take risks for those flimsy reasons? Risk is what makes capitalism WORK, for God's sake. Sometimes the risk fails; sometimes risk amounts to huge successes. Most often it doesn't make a bit of difference, because sharp management techniques will ALWAYS work around this stuff, unless of course they are not well capitalized to start with. Which is NOT the case with trillion-dollar bottom lines!!!!

No...in my opinion, businesses are sitting on cash just waiting for Republicans to take the helm and hold everything at the status quo and they will go about their merry way crossing their fingers that another round of bubbles and resulting crashes don't occur as a result. Today's definition of "capitalism" is greed. Plain and simple.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

You fool: they are at the lowest in decades.

 

[MaggieMae]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Exactly. The biggest "spending" thus far has been TARP and the Stimulus. Health care reform is proposed to be paid for by cuts in Medicare Advantage subsidies to insurance companies and "pay-to-play" fees on cadillac policies. There is no one big appropriation going toward the health care reform package, which leave it wide open for changes to those areas that don't work.

To listen to some of these people, they've already been taxed into orbit by this administration, which is simply NOT the case.

 

[MaggieMae]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

Name one corporation that pays the base rate.

 

[Charles_Main]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

You fool: they are at the lowest in decades.

So you deny that the US cooperate Tax rate is the highest in the world.

I see.

 

[Charles_Main]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

Name one corporation that pays the base rate.

None of them pay it all, but that does not change the fact that the US is not the ideal place to do business.

 

[Meister]

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

You fool: they are at the lowest in decades.

So you deny that the US cooperate Tax rate is the highest in the world.

I see.

Jackie won't answer that question, he will just double talk around it, as he did here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

You fool: they are at the lowest in decades.

So you deny that the US cooperate Tax rate is the highest in the world.

I see.

You don't get to put words in other peoples' mouth, and certainly not with me, Charles. I kick Meister and your kind to the gutter. What I said was this: "You fool: they are at the lowest in decades."

 

[Cuyo]

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

Name one corporation that pays the base rate.

None of them pay it all, but that does not change the fact that the US is not the ideal place to do business.

It damn sure would be if you were required to keep your headquarters here in order to make your money here. That's the point we're trying to make. It's unsustainable to allow companies to make money in America (rich by world standards) yet maintain operations elsewhere in order to dodge taxes.

 

[Revere]

Name one corporation that pays the base rate.

None of them pay it all, but that does not change the fact that the US is not the ideal place to do business.

It damn sure would be if you were required to keep your headquarters here in order to make your money here. That's the point we're trying to make. It's unsustainable to allow companies to make money in America (rich by world standards) yet maintain operations elsewhere in order to dodge taxes.

Close the borders to trade?

 

[Urkie]

If Republicans gain control happens, it happens. We already know what their agenda is. It means it will take that much longer for America to "come back", and Republicans will never be trusted again.

The Dems really aren't a whole lot better. They're the lesser of 2 evils but today's Republicans are not conservative. They support big government, they support wars and it forces them to adopt a fiscal policy that's unsustainable.

They think the current system is capitalism and guess what...it's not, it's corporatism/fascism. The "corporations" line the pockets of members of congress to get their way. What kind of capitalism is that? Sure doesn't sound like it to me.

The way to solve the problem is to get the government to stop listening to these corporations and put regulations on what the government can do. In other words, make the government smaller and let the market dictate itself. Corporations should not be able to negotiate with congress and that is something our founding fathers warned us of but we completely ignored it.

 

[Cuyo]

None of them pay it all, but that does not change the fact that the US is not the ideal place to do business.

It damn sure would be if you were required to keep your headquarters here in order to make your money here. That's the point we're trying to make. It's unsustainable to allow companies to make money in America (rich by world standards) yet maintain operations elsewhere in order to dodge taxes.

Close the borders to trade?

No, just disallow American corporations to outsource labor and create false offshore headquarters for the purpose of dodging taxes. If a Chinese company makes something in China and sells to an American buyer, that's "Trade." When an American company distributes and sells it's product in America, does it's manufacturing in China, and has a "Corporate Headquarters" in the Caymen Islands, yet all executives and majority shareholders live Stateside - That's tax evasion (albeit, perfectly legal tax evasion for the time being).

 

[rdean]

Taxes are not killing jobs, regulations are not killing jobs, and I agree that spending has to stop.

Yes I am sure the US having the HIGHEST cooperate tax rate in the world has NOTHING at all to do with Companies moving over seas.

Name one corporation that pays the base rate.

Who even knows anymore. Many of the big corporations now operate out of China where the minimum wage is 88 to 142 dollars a month. The government decides what clean air and clean water is so China is basically one giant "sewer".

I'm guessing, from the posts, that's the republican model for the future of America. Instead of telling me where I'm wrong, they just call names. Which, usually, is another way of saying "Rdean is correct".

 

[Revere]

It damn sure would be if you were required to keep your headquarters here in order to make your money here. That's the point we're trying to make. It's unsustainable to allow companies to make money in America (rich by world standards) yet maintain operations elsewhere in order to dodge taxes.

Close the borders to trade?

No, just disallow American corporations to outsource labor and create false offshore headquarters for the purpose of dodging taxes. If a Chinese company makes something in China and sells to an American buyer, that's "Trade." When an American company distributes and sells it's product in America, does it's manufacturing in China, and has a "Corporate Headquarters" in the Caymen Islands, yet all executives and majority shareholders live Stateside - That's tax evasion (albeit, perfectly legal tax evasion for the time being).

Toyota, Honda, Kia, and soon Mercedes Benz, and others, do or will manufacture in the US and will not pay certain taxes to their "home" countries as a result.

They employ many Americans.

You want that to stop, as well?