Witch hunt for the zombie voter

[Darkwind]

In what way does the ID requirement make it easier? Another needless bureaucratic hurdle that is certain to turn away more legitimate voters than vote cheaters.

That wasn't the question, deflectopottamus.

Try again and concentrate:

In what way does showing ID make voting harder?

Showing ID doesn't make voting harder. What makes voting harder for some is getting the required voter ID.

Liar

 

[occupied]

In what way does showing ID make voting harder?

Please show your work.

In what way does the ID requirement make it easier? Another needless bureaucratic hurdle that is certain to turn away more legitimate voters than vote cheaters.

That wasn't the question, deflectopottamus.

Try again and concentrate:

In what way does showing ID make voting harder?

It's not any harder at all, unless by honest circumstance, you had no ID to present on voting day, then it is impossible. The number of people turned away will not be zero, are their wrongful non-votes worth it?

 

[Lakhota]

Conservative watchdog group questions counties with too many voters - Houston Chronicle

Pew study: 1 in 8 voter records flawed

Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote : NPR

A two fucking second search and there are 29 million hits....

Whose fault is it when counties don't purge their dead voter files?

 

[Oddball]

In what way does the ID requirement make it easier? Another needless bureaucratic hurdle that is certain to turn away more legitimate voters than vote cheaters.

That wasn't the question, deflectopottamus.

Try again and concentrate:

In what way does showing ID make voting harder?

It's not any harder at all....

There you have it...A brief moment of honesty from a socialist.

 

[occupied]

That wasn't the question, deflectopottamus.

Try again and concentrate:

In what way does showing ID make voting harder?

It's not any harder at all....

There you have it...A brief moment of honesty from a socialist.

Why are you altering my quotes?

 

[Darkwind]

Conservative watchdog group questions counties with too many voters - Houston Chronicle

Pew study: 1 in 8 voter records flawed

Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote : NPR

A two fucking second search and there are 29 million hits....

Whose fault is it when counties don't purge their dead voter files?

How much does it not even matter if people have to show that they're not one of the dead on the rolls?

 

[Peach]

Republicans are waging the most concerted campaign to prevent or discourage citizens from exercising their legitimate voting rights since the Jim Crow days of poll taxes and literacy tests.

What could be wrong with demanding proof of identity? Plenty.

As Republican strategists are fully aware, minorities are overrepresented among the estimated 11 percent of citizens who do not have a government-issued photo ID. They are also painfully aware that in 2008, President Obama won 95 percent of the African-American vote and 67 percent of the Hispanic vote. It doesn't take a genius to do the math: If you can reduce the number of black and Latino voters, you improve the Republican candidate's chances.

If photo ID laws were going to be the solution, though, Republicans had to invent a problem. The best they could come up with was The Menace of Widespread Voter Fraud.

There is no Widespread Voter Fraud. All available evidence indicates that fraudulent voting of the kind that photo ID laws would presumably prevent – someone shows up at the polls and votes in someone else's name – just doesn't happen.

For a while, the GOP pointed to South Carolina, where Republican Gov. Nikki Haley said that "dead people" had somehow cast ballots in recent elections. But then the state's election commission investigated claims of 953 zombie voters. The number of voters came from a crude comparison of records done by the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. The elections commission actually found 207 contested votes. Of that total, 106 reflected clerical errors by poll workers, 56 reflected errors by the motor vehicles department, 32 involved people who were mistakenly listed as having voted, and three involved people who had cast absentee ballots and then died before Election Day.

That left 10 contested votes – count 'em, 10 – that could not be immediately resolved. However, the commission found no evidence of fraud. Or of zombies.

Of course, there are other potential kinds of electoral fraud; crooked poll workers, for example, could record votes in the names of citizens who actually stayed home. Election officials could design ballots in a way that worked to a specific candidate's advantage or disadvantage (see Florida, 2000). But none of this would be prevented by photo ID.

Even more sinister are new laws, such as in Florida, that make it much more difficult for campaigns – or anyone else – to conduct voter-registration drives. If you thought Republicans and Democrats agreed that more Americans should register to vote, you were sadly mistaken.

Florida requires that groups conducting registration drives be vetted and that registration forms be submitted within 48 hours of when they are signed – an onerous and unnecessary burden that only serves to hamper anyone seeking to expand the electorate.

In the name of safeguarding the sanctity of the ballot, Republicans are trying to exclude citizens they consider likely to vote for Democrats – the young, the poor, the black and brown. Those who love democracy cannot allow this foul subterfuge to succeed.

More: Witch hunt for the zombie voter - By Eugene Robinson

TEN that could not be verified INSTANTER? The anti voting crowd will faint.

 

[Oddball]

It's not any harder at all....

There you have it...A brief moment of honesty from a socialist.

Why are you altering my quotes?

Didn't alter the substance, which is fair game....You told the truth and that's all that we needed.

 

[Peach]

A voter dies.

The registrar's office is notified the voter died.

The registrar's office removes the dead voter from the voter rolls.

Look, Ma, no Voter ID!


If dead voters are on the voter rolls, that means the system for removing them is broken. But, hey, let's add a whole new layer of bureacracy and impediments to our voting system! That will fix it! Why fix the existing system?

The more we complicate government the more efficiently it functions! That is what the Right apparently believes these days.

They believe the dead voter transfers all information to an illegal alien by Vulcan mind meld it appears.

Votes for dead people can be cast by corrupt poll workers....DUUUUUH!

True paranoia. Of course corrupt poll workers can add fictitious names to the rolls & accomplish the same goal. Voter ID cannot prevent your imaginary fears.

 

[occupied]

Conservative watchdog group questions counties with too many voters - Houston Chronicle

Pew study: 1 in 8 voter records flawed

Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote : NPR

A two fucking second search and there are 29 million hits....

Whose fault is it when counties don't purge their dead voter files?

How much does it not even matter if people have to show that they're not one of the dead on the rolls?

It matters because it will do more harm than good, believing in the fable of vast numbers of fraudulent votes is fine as long as this paranoid delusion does not become Law, then you have unintended consequences (or intentional in this case), people are turned away from the polls for no good reason just to satisfy the phantom fears of reactionaries.

 

[Oddball]

They believe the dead voter transfers all information to an illegal alien by Vulcan mind meld it appears.

Votes for dead people can be cast by corrupt poll workers....DUUUUUH!

True paranoia. Of course corrupt poll workers can add fictitious names to the rolls & accomplish the same goal. Voter ID cannot prevent your imaginary fears.

It's not paranoia at all...It's how ballot boxes have been stuffed before and it can happen again.

 

[occupied]

Votes for dead people can be cast by corrupt poll workers....DUUUUUH!

True paranoia. Of course corrupt poll workers can add fictitious names to the rolls & accomplish the same goal. Voter ID cannot prevent your imaginary fears.

It's not paranoia at all...It's how ballot boxes have been stuffed before and it can happen again.

How do ID laws prevent stuffing? That is election fraud rather than voter fraud and not at all preventable by showing IDs.

 

[Lakhota]

I totally agree that each and every legal voter should have photo ID. So, why don't they? Well, for a number of reasons - including the fact that obtaining photo ID isn't always easy and/or cheap for some. That's the point.

By Mitt Younger

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University reports that 25 percent of African-American voters do not have a valid government-issued photo ID, compared with 8 percent of whites. The center also found that 15 percent of voters earning less than $35,000 per year and 18 percent of young voters do not have such an ID.

Because women traditionally change their names when they marry or divorce, the Brennan Center reported than only 48 percent of women nationwide have access to birth certificates with their current legal name and only 66 percent have proof of citizenship with their current legal name. This makes it difficult for them to acquire the ID required for voting.

Viviette Applewhite, 93, is the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit filed in May challenging Pennsylvania's new voter ID law. The Philadelphia woman is a former wartime "Rosie the Riveter" and civil rights worker, who marched with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in Georgia in the 1960s in the fight for black voting rights.

Although Applewhite says she has voted since 1960, when she cast her ballot for John F. Kennedy, the law Republican Gov. Tom Corbett signed in March requires her now to produce a photo ID, such as a driver's license, to vote.

Confined to a wheelchair, Applewhite does not drive. She does not have a driver's license. To obtain a free government photo ID, Applewhite must produce her birth certificate, which the state can't seem to locate. Other forms of photo ID were lost when Applewhite's purse was stolen.

Applewhite is one of 10 plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Among the others are three elderly women who say they cannot obtain necessary IDs because they were born during the Jim Crow era in the South, where states have no records of their birth.

And then we have the state of Florida, where elections officials have teamed up with the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles to ferret out "illegal voters."

The results, so far, have been reminiscent of the 2000 Florida debacle, where a company hired by the state mistakenly identified thousands of voters as "felons" and kicked them off the voting rolls. Many of these "felons" were law-abiding citizens. Embarrassingly for the state, some were even prominent citizens.

More: Politicians 'gaming' election by suppressing vote - Bakersfield.com

 

[whitehall]

Somehow democrats get away with insulting the Black community by claiming that Black people are incapable of obtaining a photo I.D. in the 21st century. Photo ID is necessary to function in modern life for everything from cashing a check to driving a car to entering a government building. Here's how the voter fraud works. Criminal activists like ACORN register names that don't exist or street people who would never vote or illegal aliens or ex-convicts or residents of cemeteries. When election day comes they go from polling place to polling place and vote in place of the people they registered. The scam becomes difficult when they have to produce a photo I.D..

Quit presenting fables as a valid excuse for disfranchisement, no republican can point to any evidence that there is a problem big enough to warrant making it harder for people to vote. ACORN does not even exist anymore, it is as dead as Elvis, talk about zombie threats.

The zombies are the people who claim that producing a photo I.D. is too difficult for Black people. How hard is it to produce a photo I.D.? Most people have to carry one to get to the polling place. They have been doing it for a decade in Virginia.

 

[occupied]

Funny how Republicans refuse to pursue the very real issue of vote flipping/rigging as zealously as they do the spurious issue of fraudulent voting.

 

[Lakhota]

Somehow democrats get away with insulting the Black community by claiming that Black people are incapable of obtaining a photo I.D. in the 21st century. Photo ID is necessary to function in modern life for everything from cashing a check to driving a car to entering a government building. Here's how the voter fraud works. Criminal activists like ACORN register names that don't exist or street people who would never vote or illegal aliens or ex-convicts or residents of cemeteries. When election day comes they go from polling place to polling place and vote in place of the people they registered. The scam becomes difficult when they have to produce a photo I.D..

Quit presenting fables as a valid excuse for disfranchisement, no republican can point to any evidence that there is a problem big enough to warrant making it harder for people to vote. ACORN does not even exist anymore, it is as dead as Elvis, talk about zombie threats.

The zombies are the people who claim that producing a photo I.D. is too difficult for Black people. How hard is it to produce a photo I.D.? Most people have to carry one to get to the polling place. They have been doing it for a decade in Virginia.

Photo ID? Are you sure about that?

Voter ID: State Requirements

 

[The Rabbi]

First off, bote fraud is a serious problem. See, Chicago, City of.
Second, many courts have ruled in favor of ID laws.
Third, in places where ID laws were passed minority voting increased.
So I guess if you want to disenfranchise minority voters you should oppose ID laws. Not the first time Dems have shown themselves the biggest fucking hypocrites to walk the planet.

 

[American_Jihad]

Republicans are waging the most concerted campaign to prevent or discourage citizens from exercising their legitimate voting rights since the Jim Crow days of poll taxes and literacy tests.

What could be wrong with demanding proof of identity? Plenty.

As Republican strategists are fully aware, minorities are overrepresented among the estimated 11 percent of citizens who do not have a government-issued photo ID. They are also painfully aware that in 2008, President Obama won 95 percent of the African-American vote and 67 percent of the Hispanic vote. It doesn't take a genius to do the math: If you can reduce the number of black and Latino voters, you improve the Republican candidate's chances.

If photo ID laws were going to be the solution, though, Republicans had to invent a problem. The best they could come up with was The Menace of Widespread Voter Fraud.

There is no Widespread Voter Fraud. All available evidence indicates that fraudulent voting of the kind that photo ID laws would presumably prevent – someone shows up at the polls and votes in someone else's name – just doesn't happen.

For a while, the GOP pointed to South Carolina, where Republican Gov. Nikki Haley said that "dead people" had somehow cast ballots in recent elections. But then the state's election commission investigated claims of 953 zombie voters. The number of voters came from a crude comparison of records done by the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. The elections commission actually found 207 contested votes. Of that total, 106 reflected clerical errors by poll workers, 56 reflected errors by the motor vehicles department, 32 involved people who were mistakenly listed as having voted, and three involved people who had cast absentee ballots and then died before Election Day.

That left 10 contested votes – count 'em, 10 – that could not be immediately resolved. However, the commission found no evidence of fraud. Or of zombies.

Of course, there are other potential kinds of electoral fraud; crooked poll workers, for example, could record votes in the names of citizens who actually stayed home. Election officials could design ballots in a way that worked to a specific candidate's advantage or disadvantage (see Florida, 2000). But none of this would be prevented by photo ID.

Even more sinister are new laws, such as in Florida, that make it much more difficult for campaigns – or anyone else – to conduct voter-registration drives. If you thought Republicans and Democrats agreed that more Americans should register to vote, you were sadly mistaken.

Florida requires that groups conducting registration drives be vetted and that registration forms be submitted within 48 hours of when they are signed – an onerous and unnecessary burden that only serves to hamper anyone seeking to expand the electorate.

In the name of safeguarding the sanctity of the ballot, Republicans are trying to exclude citizens they consider likely to vote for Democrats – the young, the poor, the black and brown. Those who love democracy cannot allow this foul subterfuge to succeed.

More: Witch hunt for the zombie voter - By Eugene Robinson

TEN that could not be verified INSTANTER? The anti voting crowd will faint.

Fraud Map :: Rotten Acorn ::​

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Give Me a pack of Marlboro light 100's. Got ID?

I"m John Smith and I want a ballot.. Got ID?

My lover left Me with 3 kids and no job, I need help. Got ID?

Which of these things are the same?

Just one of the many holes in the R mentality is that they said 1070 in AZ would work because the illegals can't get fake ID. Fact is, the durg lords order fake ID's by the hundreds.

OTOH, the R's are more than happy to wipe their behinds with the Constitution if it will help them win an election.

Bottom line is that voter suppression is illegal. There is no voter fraud to speak of and, as they all know but won't admit, this is all about stealing an election.

Period.

And the rw's love it.

 

[freedombecki]

They believe the dead voter transfers all information to an illegal alien by Vulcan mind meld it appears.

Votes for dead people can be cast by corrupt poll workers....DUUUUUH!

True paranoia. Of course corrupt poll workers can add fictitious names to the rolls & accomplish the same goal. Voter ID cannot prevent your imaginary fears.

That is not so, Peach. I've been online for many years, and one of my first experiences 3 or 4 years into being online in politics was to read the Time Magazines' Pathfinder Boards many years back. I didn't say much at night, but one night I was up reading, and I ran into a group of left-leaning people who were bragging about their polling performances. One said he was a Democrat precinct chairman and voted for 30 people, and he knew others who voted more times than he did. (election 1998 or 2000). Others chimed in from all over the United States, each with a claim of voting several times. The next morning, I decided it might be a good idea to print their conversation out, but by the time I got back online, the thread where the bragging had taken place had been cleaned up, no mention of illegal votes. It's Omerta. It's not spoken any more, especially not online.

I'll never forget it.

And I have a hard time trusting precinct chairmen when they claim ,after losing an election as in Minnesota when Senator Norm Coleman's win was overturned by a precinct chairman who claimed several hundred votes had been "misplaced," enough to swing the election to the Democrat runner, Al Franken. That precinct chairman should have been fired for incompetence and also likely lying.

When you discount others' experiences and knowledge as nonexistent, or call one of the most distinguished and level-headed men on this board "paranoid" you're the one who loses creds with those of us who've seen a few more irregularities than were intended for anyone to have seen.

While you may be innocent of any wrongdoing whatever, the whole ACORN bit and their ouster by congress left a very, very bad taste in this nation's mouth about voting integrity, and I won't personally be satisfied until eye scans become the fingerprint of future elections, and it will be known instantly whether voting hanky panky has been going on and where by watchdogs who won't allow it.