Wisconsin Tea Party Candidate Compares Public Schools To Nazi Regime

[JakeStarkey]

Mises? Oh, vey! The Tea Party would create a public ed system that would take away peoples' freedoms, and yours, as well, C. You would not do well in a Tea Party world, quite awful, in fact.

82% of America does not like the Tea Party, guys. You can change that if you dump the racists, sexists, fascists, libertarians, etc.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I hope everyone realizes how absofuckinglutely shitbrained it is to argue over which modern American political party is more Nazi-ish. It's one of the most vapid and cheap debating tricks in the book. If you do it, you've got no game.

I really wish this board had someone posting who was a Jewish person living under the Third Reich. Might keep things in perspective.

that person would most certainly be called a liar, or a collaborator.

 

[Moonglow]

Nazi's = Centralized control over every aspect of Life, Through Government.
Statist Progressive = Centralized control over every aspect of life, through Government.

Same End. Totalitarian State, built on mandate and punishment.

In that sense All Totalitarian Ideologies, share that trait. Different paths, different brands, leading to the same end, as opposed to the concept of Individual Liberty and choice.

Government Dependency V.S. Personal Responsibility.

In your Socialist Utopia, who is to define injustice and persecution? Where exactly is that Someone buried? In your Socialist Utopia, the reward of a faithful witness is an unmarked grave. Do you even care where you lead the blind?

Keep on keeping on multiplying that debt. That is the means to your end, right?

You are either lying or you are ignorant. Why don't you actually study up on the Nazi Party and how they took over Germany and then compare those tactics to your beloved Tea Party. Remember to remove those "Conservative Colored" glasses before you look at the facts.

Study up?

One word...................

UNIONS

Hitler outlawed unions.

 

[Jroc]

The Autobahn does not make Hitler a socialist.

No, but controlling the means of production did...

Oh so bang on the money.

From the website that is set up in the name of Ludwig Von Mises is this amazing article by George Reisman called Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

Mises Daily: Friday, November 11, 2005 by George Reisman

From the article and I will provide a link:

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government.

For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership:

it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive.

The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State.

If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936.

These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933.

The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament.

The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian - George Reisman - Mises Daily

EDIT TO ADD: the whole website from the Ludwig Von Mises Institute is just awesome.

This just shows that you don't bother to read through the whole thread I posted that link yesterday.

 

[Jroc]

Mises? Oh, vey! The Tea Party would create a public ed system that would take away peoples' freedoms, and yours, as well, C. You would not do well in a Tea Party world, quite awful, in fact.

82% of America does not like the Tea Party, guys. You can change that if you dump the racists, sexists, fascists, libertarians, etc.

People don't seem to like libs much either, I think you have a soft spot for them though.

Gallup: Liberals Remain Small Minority in America--Outnumbered Nearly 2-to-1 by Conservatives

Tuesday, August 02, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid with President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

(CNSNews.com) - Self-professed liberals remain a small minority in America, equaling only 21 percent of the population, the same percentage they have held for the last two years, according to a newly released Gallup poll.

Liberals are even a minority within the Democratic Party, according to Gallup. In the new poll, 39 percent of Democrats said they were moderates, 38 percent said they were liberals and 22 percent said they were conservatives. Thus, in the grassroots of the Democratic Party, the combined moderate and conservative blocs out-number the liberals 61 percent to 38 percent.

Ironically, the percentage of self-described conservatives in the Democratic Party is higher than the percentage of self-described liberals in the overall American population.

To determine the percentage of liberals, moderates and conservatives in America in the first half of 2011, Gallup asked 10,265 people from January through June this question: “How would you describe your political views—very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal or very liberal?”

Overall, 11 percent said they were very conservative, 30 percent said they were conservative, 36 percent said they were moderate, 15 percent said they were liberal, 6 percent said they were very liberal and 2 percent said they had no opinion.

The combined 41 percent who said they were very conservative or conservative was nearly double the combined 21 percent who said they were liberal or very liberal.

The small percentage of Americans who profess to be liberals has changed very little over the 20 years Gallup has been asking people to categorize their political views as liberal, moderate or conservative. By contrast, the percentage who say they are conservative has grown, as conservatives replaced moderates as the largest philosophical bloc in the country.

Gallup: Liberals Remain Small Minority in America--Outnumbered Nearly 2-to-1 by Conservatives | CNSnews.com

 

[Jroc]

You are either lying or you are ignorant. Why don't you actually study up on the Nazi Party and how they took over Germany and then compare those tactics to your beloved Tea Party. Remember to remove those "Conservative Colored" glasses before you look at the facts.

Study up?

One word...................

UNIONS

Hitler outlawed unions.

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume Two: The National Socialist Movement
Chapter XII: The Trade Union Question

I believe that I have adequately answered the first question. As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence

Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf: The Trade Union Question

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals outnumber Tea Party. Conservatives, including the far right libertarians and TeaPots and other associated wacks, have about 40% of the electorate. The conservatives are split among the moderate to conservative Republicans, the TeaParty, the wacks. Romney and Perry appeal to the rational among the conservatives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Mises? Oh, vey! The Tea Party would create a public ed system that would take away peoples' freedoms, and yours, as well, C. You would not do well in a Tea Party world, quite awful, in fact.

82% of America does not like the Tea Party, guys. You can change that if you dump the racists, sexists, fascists, libertarians, etc.

People don't seem to like libs much either, I think you have a soft spot for them though.

Gallup: Liberals Remain Small Minority in America--Outnumbered Nearly 2-to-1 by Conservatives

Tuesday, August 02, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid with President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

(CNSNews.com) - Self-professed liberals remain a small minority in America, equaling only 21 percent of the population, the same percentage they have held for the last two years, according to a newly released Gallup poll.

Liberals are even a minority within the Democratic Party, according to Gallup. In the new poll, 39 percent of Democrats said they were moderates, 38 percent said they were liberals and 22 percent said they were conservatives. Thus, in the grassroots of the Democratic Party, the combined moderate and conservative blocs out-number the liberals 61 percent to 38 percent.

Ironically, the percentage of self-described conservatives in the Democratic Party is higher than the percentage of self-described liberals in the overall American population.

To determine the percentage of liberals, moderates and conservatives in America in the first half of 2011, Gallup asked 10,265 people from January through June this question: “How would you describe your political views—very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal or very liberal?”

Overall, 11 percent said they were very conservative, 30 percent said they were conservative, 36 percent said they were moderate, 15 percent said they were liberal, 6 percent said they were very liberal and 2 percent said they had no opinion.

The combined 41 percent who said they were very conservative or conservative was nearly double the combined 21 percent who said they were liberal or very liberal.

The small percentage of Americans who profess to be liberals has changed very little over the 20 years Gallup has been asking people to categorize their political views as liberal, moderate or conservative. By contrast, the percentage who say they are conservative has grown, as conservatives replaced moderates as the largest philosophical bloc in the country.

Gallup: Liberals Remain Small Minority in America--Outnumbered Nearly 2-to-1 by Conservatives | CNSnews.com

So we elected a liberal president in 2008 despite liberals supposedly being outnumbered by conservatives 2 to 1?

Explain how that happened.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because, despite what the reactionary wacks beyond the far right say, the center elects president, and the center was absolutely fed up with bushitis.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hitler believed in having a strong military and he significantly increased defense spending.

I guess that makes Reagan a Nazi.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because, despite what the reactionary wacks beyond the far right say, the center elects president, and the center was absolutely fed up with bushitis.

More importantly, millions of Americans identify themselves as conservatives who would not be called conservatives by the rightwingers around here.

John McCain would call himself a conservative in that poll. When's the last time the 'nuts around here accepted that definition?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because, despite what the reactionary wacks beyond the far right say, the center elects president, and the center was absolutely fed up with bushitis.

More importantly, millions of Americans identify themselves as conservatives who would not be called conservatives by the rightwingers around here.

John McCain would call himself a conservative in that poll. When's the last time the 'nuts around here accepted that definition?

What the nuts think is a "conservative" is immaterial. There are not enough of them to stop a McCain or a Romney.

 

[tinydancer]

No, but controlling the means of production did...

Oh so bang on the money.

From the website that is set up in the name of Ludwig Von Mises is this amazing article by George Reisman called Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

Mises Daily: Friday, November 11, 2005 by George Reisman

From the article and I will provide a link:

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government.

For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership:

it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive.

The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State.

If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936.

These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933.

The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament.

The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian - George Reisman - Mises Daily

EDIT TO ADD: the whole website from the Ludwig Von Mises Institute is just awesome.

This just shows that you don't bother to read through the whole thread I posted that link yesterday.

I truly thought I had hit every page. I try to but I do have a real life and had to run in and out of the garden yesterday since the weeds are coming up faster than the vegetables..

On to Mises. I'm no economist nor did I ever have a penchance for studying economics, but I fell into the Von Mises Institute website and I've been just fascinated by it all.

Right off the bat every author I have read to date (and I have only just begun) on the site makes sense. And most importantly makes sense to me because when I have read or listened to most economists, my eyes glaze over within 5 minutes.

So to me this fits in "what did I learn on the internet today" and it beats the heck out of what did Charlie Sheen or Lindsay Lohan do today garbage.(I only get one tv channel and when the stars are aligned properly, maybe I get two so the net is my link to what I consider a more real world than TMZ)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because, despite what the reactionary wacks beyond the far right say, the center elects president, and the center was absolutely fed up with bushitis.

More importantly, millions of Americans identify themselves as conservatives who would not be called conservatives by the rightwingers around here.

John McCain would call himself a conservative in that poll. When's the last time the 'nuts around here accepted that definition?

What the nuts think is a "conservative" is immaterial. There are not enough of them to stop a McCain or a Romney.

The Big Lie that the Right has bought into, re presidential elections, is that every Republican who has lost the election in recent memory lost because he wasn't conservative enough.

I predict that the Right, if they get their way, will eventually push that theory far enough to where we get a future Johnson/Goldwater 64 type election.

 

[Uncensored2008]

By your definition then, Uncensored, Churchill was a socialist.

You can't think straight, can you?

You are an ignorant and uneducated, feral baboon.

Between the end of WWII and the reforms of Thatcher, Britain DID become a socialist state.

 

[Contumacious]

Liberals outnumber Tea Party. Conservatives, including the far right libertarians and TeaPots and other associated wacks, have about 40% of the electorate. The conservatives are split among the moderate to conservative Republicans, the TeaParty, the wacks. Romney and Perry appeal to the rational among the conservatives.

Through out the ages the Parasites have always outnumbered the Producers . That is the reason the Founders attempted to prevent a democracy where the majority rules and asserted that our rights are unalienable.

Given the circumstances another violent civil war is unavoidable.

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[Uncensored2008]

Just like the fascists in Italy and Germany said they were for good things, many of them weren't.

What good things, Jake?

What were the promises of the the Fascists and the Nazis?

{
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the
Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against
the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into
corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate
communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low
rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the
owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community
authorities.

17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for
expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of
ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land. }

Nazi Party Platform, signed by Adolf Hitler.

users.stlcc.edu/rkalfus/PDFs/026.pdf

See Jake, you are an uneducated baboon, spewing partisan bullshit. You have no clue as to the reality of the subject you yammer about - you serve your shameful party and are far too stupid to gather the actual facts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You're too stupid to get the joke, eh jake the fake?

He doesn't grasp the reference to Eastasia. 1984 is high school required reading, Jake never made it anywhere close to high school.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And they are correct:

Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

Read my sig.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wack talk in and of itself. And, considering what drives C's needs, his talk can be dismissed.

Jake, you're an ignorant fool. Your partisanship only reveals the depth of your ignorance.