Wind Farms Increase Warming?

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  1. SSDD
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    A new study by a pair of Harvard researchers published in the journal Joule find that more wind power could increase warming, first regionally, then globally.

    They find that wind farms could warm the surface of the US by 0.24C.

    The mechanism for this is thatwsnd turbines generate electricity by extracting energy from the air. This slows down wind and in other ways alters the exchange of heat, moisture, and momentum between the surface and the atmosphere. In short, unintended consequences.

    There are complaints by some that the models used to determine this have problems. Of course, if you are a warmer, you can't really use this complaint in defense of your position on wind since you believe so heavily in models which are fraught with problems for the very warming scenario by which you endorse wind in the first place. Problematic models don't seem to be an issue for you.

    Wide-scale US wind power could cause significant warming

    So I am wondering what you wind warriors think of this. You don't seem to care that wind turbines could drive raptors to extinction...you don't seem to be bothered by the effect on bats and migratory birds. How do you feel about wind if it causes more warming?
     
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    There are some important limitations to the study. It notes that the warming effect depends strongly on local weather conditions, as well as the type and placement of turbines. It didn’t analyze impacts outside the continental United States or time periods beyond a year. And it's difficult to imagine anything approaching this level of wind power actually being built in the nation.

    Wide-scale US wind power could cause significant warming

    This sounds like a very incomplete study.
     
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    As for your other claims, more bullshit from the usual source.
     
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    Wind is still a shitty source of power
     
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    As a meteorologist who works for one of the major wind farms, I can tell you they do indeed warm the regional climate. 1-2 deg F from the original area temps prior to the farms being built. And it also changes wind patterns of the region.
     
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    Did you read the article in full? You might want to go back and read it again. It quotes a short term possible issue and long term gain in the fight against climate change.
     
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    There is no long term gain... Inside 5 years most of these monsters in Wyoming will be piles of scrap.
     
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    They don't GAF that a detailed analysis of how they are produced and maintained shows that they'll never offset the "carbon footprint" that they create, so how is this supposed to change what the warmers are trying to pass off as minds?
     
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    Kinda funney how we have had them running around here for over ten years. You are full of shit and according to the OP article you are full of shit.
     
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    The article refers to research published in the journal, Joule.
    The abstract of that journal says, Wind's overall environmental impacts are surely less than fossil energy.

    Furthermore, the study is based on 100% of the electricity in the US being supplied with wind power. That will never happen.
     
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