Will We Win Another War?

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    It's really a good question, but unless you count the Cold War, we haven't won a war since WWII. Korea was fought to a stalemate, and that regime is still in power and dangerous. We bailed out of Vietnam, which was an unmitigated disaster. When we fought the Gulf War, we only fought to the status quo. The aggressor was in power for another 12 years and the Islamofascists saw it as a win for them.

    In WWII, we had the will to fight war to its ultimate conclusion, holding nothing back and refusing to quit until our enemies begged us for mercy. Every news story that came about pointed out the good of our forces and what we did right. Even after such unmitigated disasters as Dunkirk and Market Garden, the news told of what our brave soldiers accomplished, despite the defeat. Stories of Dunkirk didn't concentrate on what had to be left behind, but rather how much was saved due to the dedication of every man, woman, and child with a watercraft to bring the British and French soldiers across the Channel. Stories of the Battle of the Bulge didn't talk about how the allied army got blind-sided and short-supplied in a winter operation. Instead, it talked about how the soldiers, undersupplied as they were, still held off the German counter-offensive, despite the odds against them. In the Pacific theatre, the news concentrated on the aggressiveness and efficiency of the Marines, not the fanaticism and determination of the enemy. There were several points in WWII when we were losing...bad, but instead of talk of surrender, we spoke only of redoubling our efforts until the war was ultimately won.

    In the Cold War, we were not afraid to identify our enemy and root him out. We executed spies. We arrested and jailed seditionists and traitors. We were not afraid to call one a communist and ostracize that person for betraying us to our enemies. With sheer determination, we fought Communism on every front, denied them resources, and did all we could to prevent it from gaining ground in our own country.

    In this war, however, gone is our determination. Having lost a fraction of what we lost at Normandy, fighting a far more dangerous enemy, we're ready to just give up and leave. With mass murderers and psychopaths walking around within our own borders, we refuse to call them out for fear that we'll be called 'racist,' 'bigot,' or 'intolerant.' We even bow to the wishes of organizations in this country known to give aid and comfort to our enemies (CAIR). To win this war against Islamic fascism, we must be ready to fight it to its bitter conclusion, no matter the cost. We must call out the enemies among us to prevent them from striking our soil (btw, Al-Qaida operatives are warning Muslims to get the hell out of America, no matter the cost, because it's about to get really bad). We have to drop the utopian ideal that nobody is evil and that everyone can be bargained with. In our current social condition, we will lose this war and it will cost us everything we have.

    Edit: More here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53254

    Also, I just heard a caller to a radio show detail how he watched his little girl lose her innocence right in front of his face when he found out that Muslim children at her school had told her that war was coming here.
     
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    No, we will not do what is necessary to win.


    At least not until we are hit again real bad.
    When that happens, the gloves will come off.
     
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    Will they? We were hit bad on 9/11, and the kid gloves aren't even stained. What will it take for us to 'get it,' and fight this enemy with the same ruthless determination that we showed to the Nazis and the Japanese Imperialists?
     
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    yes. it might just take our enemies killing the socialist part of our society to do so.
     
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    That raises a serious moral question. First off, I'm not implying or assuming anything about you personally.

    But, when it boils down to it, what is more desirable: an apathetic populace and a losing war, or the death of x amount of Americans but a united United States? Personally, no matter the cost (to a legitimate extent), I would take anything over another tragedy like 9/11.

    Today, 9/11 seems abstract, like a page from a history book. I was quite young, but I still remember the day vividly. Over time, I noticed people were more apt to talk about it, more apt to place blame on whoever, and basically shrugging it off like it wasnt as big of a deal as it really was. Eventually, we need to gain our composure and move on, which we did, but now 9/11 is just a rhetorical point, not a national tragedy. Because of this, another *massive* attack may wind up the same way; or, the nation might unite and ultimately crush the Islamofascist threat. The terrorists *might* know this, which leads one to wonder why they would execute another attack, considering that they would have to face our wrath which could realistically lead to their fall. Then again, I'm not an Islamofascist.
     
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    Maybe all we need to do is elect a Democrat President to get a "real war" going.....since all the major past wars were led by Democrats:

    World War I - Woodrow Wilson (D)
    World War II - Roosevelt (D)
    Korean War - Truman (D)
    Vietnam War - Johnson (D)

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Those type of Democratic leaders do not exist anymore. Gone are the days when men were men.
     
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    Maybe, but then when Democrats start wars they turn into world wars..
     
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    I doubt we'll ever "get it" again. It is not a coinicidence that the last war we won is also the last war where the collective will of the people was the same.

    We are almost two different societies now -- right and left, with very little compromise. If that isn't bad enough, the right and left, respectively, are fragmented.

    In the midst of all the in-fighting, no one's paying attention to our back door and we are rapidly becoming North Mexico.
     
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    the US can no longer win a war

    gone are the days of competition.

    no more grades

    no more tag

    no more dodge ball

    no more keeping score

    no more winning

    no more losers

    everything must be accepted, tolerated and compromised......
     

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