WI, now IN and OH....is the end near for unions?

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    The bell tolls.....

    And without collective bargaining, no union has teeth.

    Is this the beginning of the end for unions?
     
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    It's the unions doing public sector gov. jobs that should end. The private ones can do what they wish.
     
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    And Florida, and today it is expected New Jersey will join their ranks.

    Mebbe the end of public employee unions, Mini. Not all unions, however.
     
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    I don't think it's total lights out, but no doubt their power has been dwindling for decades. This is just another chapter. Personally, I'd have no problem with public sector unions going by the wayside; I think they/re bad ideas to start with.
     
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    I recognize that private-sector unions are not included at this point.

    But with precedent comes the rolling ball.

    After the public employee unions are dissolved, I think it spreads to the private sector like wildfire. Years before it is resolved, but the debate has begun.
     
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    Hopefully the people will once more, as they did in the thirties and the sixties, tell the man where to go.

    "Corporate propaganda directed outwards, that is, to the public at large, has two main objectives: to identify the free enterprise system in popular consciousness with every cherished value, and to identify interventionist governments and strong unions (the only agencies capable of checking a complete domination of society by corporations) with tyranny, oppression and even subversion. The techniques used to achieve these results are variously called 'public relations', 'corporate communications' and 'economic education'." Alex Carey 'Taking the Risk out of Democracy'

     
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    I dun think that'd be possible with the US Constitution in place, Mini. Nor do I think it'd be wise. You really want coal miners to lose their union?

    Plumbers and Electricians? Elevator Repairmen?
     
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    There are some industries where the unions are a necessity (mining, for instance). But there are others where I believe they have become a nuisance and serve no purpose any longer.

    I don't think unions will ever be completely removed, but I think we're seeing the beginning of a huge drawback from the union model, especially in industries where they serve no purpose of safety or regulation.

    The Constitution makes no specific concession to unions, and the political climate has changed.

    We will see, but I suspect the number of unions in existence today, and their memberships, is a lot larger than the number in 10 years.
     
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    I think they'll survive -- even public employee unions, but this "movement" has hardened many people's positions. The unions are handling this all wrong, IMO.
     
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    I think the unions are losing the support of folks who aren't members (the majority of workers).

    Once that ball starts rolling, it generally doesn't stop.

    We'll see.....but I think collective bargaining, which is the heart of every union, is going to take a serious hit in the next year. Where that leads is anyone's guess, but I think it bleeds over into the private sector as well.
     

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