why we need electoral college:Los Angeles county is home to more people than each of these 41 states

[sakinago]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

You didn't even make an argument here, Dumb Shit.
Nor are you even capable of making one.

How do you not see the argument...why should the entire executive branch be represented by those in NY and LA? Do you know how much weight would get put on strictly the heavily populated cities when campaigning, if we were to get rid of the electoral college? Why bother campaigning in the mid-west let alone the more rural counties of the entire country? The reasons for instituting the EC were clear and just, we were never intended to be a strict democracy, which is just tyranny by another name. The EC still gives weight to the more heavily populated areas, but it also gives a better balance of proportionality. You have to campaign to the entire population, not just to the cities. It’s not a secret that the needs, priorities, and desires are quite different from a New Yorker than a rural small business owner. And when that’s principle is put into practice, the left complains about it, just because it furthers their agenda, not because it’s right, or fair. Fair isn’t having the people of LA county determining how the people of Illinois or Idaho should live. There’s plenty of other unfair shit going on in DC, that both sides agree on, how about we talk about that. The left has just made me more sick since trump got elected...and I refused to vote for trump. Y’all just don’t get it, you are trapped in your own group think surrounded by and being sycophants to each other....trump being elected should not have been that big of a surprise to y’all if you actually listened.

 

[SSGT Bags]

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Mexicans are some of the hardest working people. Family oriented and respectful....are there bad apples? Yes just like any other race. Now that I made it clear....i haven' come across a racist and o don't wanna talk to one here....you are just a piece of shit racist prick.

Why don't you let the illegals share your mommy's basement with you?
Permanent Ignore asshole!

They have their own places....but white trash like you are the majority of the homeless in LA, also most of the beggars are white.

LOL, talk about a racist comment!
"They have their own places."
Those places are called Barrios, which means SLUMS.
As long as they stay in their slums, and don't try to frequent Rodeo Drive, it's OK.
LaLa Land Loonie!

 

[Pogo]

How do you not see the argument...why should the entire executive branch be represented by those in NY and LA?

It shouldn't. And it isn't. And repeating the same lame meme that can't be logically backed up doesn't make it somehow take on logical qualities.

Case closed.

Why bother campaigning in the mid-west let alone the more rural counties of the entire country?

Indeed. That's a major part of the argument against WTA. Hillary Clinton need not campaign in Utah or Texas, because their states' EVs are already decided before anybody goes to the polls. Rump need not campaign there either, for the exact same reason. Same for New York. And Idaho. And Massachusetts. And Kansas. And we can do this all day.

The reasons for instituting the EC were clear and just, we were never intended to be a strict democracy, which is just tyranny by another name.

See above about repeating mindless meme that can't be justified, so many times that you delude yourself into stating that the emperor really is wearing clothes, yeah that's the ticket.

Yep, the reasons for instituting the EC were clear. Part of it was that the technological miliieu of the 18th century made it unlikely that a voter in Georgia would have any contact or knowledge of a candy in New Hamster (or vice versa). Another part of it was to artificially inflate Slave Power, which doesn't mean what it appears to mean according to standard English syntax.

And part of it was to allow clearer heads to prevail -- and overrule -- when a con artist flimflamed the populace into voting for him. This part has by now had its balls cut off by the Duopoly and only a few conscientious electors who cast votes for Kasich and Sanders and Spotted Eagle and Powell, remain to carry out that duty. The rest have been cowed into subservience by blatantly unConstitutional state laws that make it illegal for them to carry out that duty.

But what it was never intended to do was to divisively degenerate the election process into a matter of one state voting against another state, and utterly ignoring the wishes of its minority vote. That's why the ECs main architect James Madison called for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting WTA once it snowballed itself into the lockstep bullshit it's become today, and was already becoming then.

Its purpose was also not to keep out any possible encroachment by any possible third party and thereby allow a Duopoly of collusion between two party with names that are different and little else. But that's exactly what it does. Always instructive to see who's happy with that condition.

The EC still gives weight to the more heavily populated areas, but it also gives a better balance of proportionality. You have to campaign to the entire population, not just to the cities.

You don't have to campaign at all if the state is "red" or "blue" --- as just noted above. It's already decided, don't waste your time. And in Alaska and Hawaìi, the two Duopoly party have already pre-apportioned them. Nobody from either side of the Duopoly goes there ever. Those decks are already stacked.

Such a deal huh?

As for proportionate weight to population, that's kind of what majority rule means. Get more votes, your vote prevails. A child can understand that.

Ever heard of "one man, one vote"?
On the other hand ever heard of "one acre, one vote"?

Didn't think so.

The rest of the above was redundant and way TL;DR. Here's your homework assignment: look up the concept of "paragraph breaks".

The bottom line here is that the EC as it's practiced today has multiple deleterious effects:

(a) it shuts out most of the country from contact with candidates;

(b) it keeps voter turnout abysmally and embarrassingly low, because for an individual voter, what's the point?;

(c) it preserves, protects and perpetuates the hegemony of the Duopoly by shutting out any voice outside that Duopoly (how many EVs did Ross Perot get again?);

(d) it divides the country into bogus "red" and "blue" regions, a concept that wouldn't even EXIST if the WTA-EC didn't create it;

and (e) it makes us all dependent on polls to determine which states are "in play" (see bogus concept directly above), because no election is decided by "urban" or "rural" --- it's decided by "swing states" -- and there's that same bogus concept yet again.

But hey, at least we eliminated (f) where it handed overproportionate power to slave-holding states who had no say in it, which is why four of our first five Presidents were slaveholders from the South. That's progress of a sort. The problem is, that's the only deleterious effect we've eliminated in the last 152 years.

 

[Pogo]

If an electoral college method of doing elections is the best way to do them,

then 99.9% of the elections held in this country are doing them a worse way.

Yabbut, what about all those states that elect their governors based on county electoral votes cashed in by whoever wins that county?

Oh wait --- there's no such thing and never has been. Yet it's exactly the same idea the ECpologists try to run with.

Sooooooo uh, that means it's such a good idea that no state has ever done it.

AWK-ward.....

I still find it instructive that the only other country that gives its citizens a vote, and then filters it through a proxy system, is Pakistan.

 

[Peach]

Dallas also has a large population; the EC was set up since lack of transportation made voting time consuming, transporting ballots impossible in places, and was intended to reflect the popular vote. Problems begun with J.Q. Adams/Jackson, Tilden/Hayes led to riots. Clinton's popular vote victory was large enough to make the error glaring. There is no reason why my vote counts less than that of an Iowa citizen. Popular vote, OR, modified EC reflects the actual vote. Two states have modified EC.

Explain why small states (population) receive greater weighted votes.

 

[Pogo]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

 

[bodecea]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

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[Peach]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

California isn't in the top 6, by percentages. Poverty stricken states are Republican. The popular vote should elect the President(.) Trump stated he would have won the popular vote if he had chosen to, wwhy the bizarre, incorrect posts?

 

[Pogo]

Dallas also has a large population; the EC was set up since lack of transportation made voting time consuming, transporting ballots impossible in places, and was intended to reflect the popular vote. Problems begun with Adams/Jefferson, Tilden/Hayes led to riots. Clinton's popular vote victory was large enough to make the error glaring. There is no reason why my vote counts less than that of an Iowa citizen. Popular vote, OR, modified EC reflects the actual vote. Two states have modified EC.

Explain why small states (population) receive greater weighted votes.

Sadly they've only "modified" them into slightly smaller versions where an entire Congressional District is still lumped into a single vote, which is only a reduction of the same issues.

In Maine's case for example Clinton won the popular vote 48% to 45% yet won the electoral vote 3 to 1. A proportionate vote would have been 2-2.

My state has 15 EVs, which Rump won by a razor-thin margin. Allocated proportionally they would have been 8-7.

 

[Pogo]

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

California isn't in the top 6, by percentages. Poverty stricken states are Republican. The popular vote should elect the President(.) Trump stated he would have won the popular vote if he had chosen to, wwhy the bizarre, incorrect posts?

I know it isn't --- that's what I just said, noting that Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma have higher poverty rates. Which is also what my link says.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

I was responding and offering a dialogue exchange with the poster that posted this:
"I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us. "

Links? I've posted all the links you're requesting many times before...the redundancy gets real old, real fast...I get bored leading you LefTards around by the nose only to find that facts and data don't really matter to your twisted tiny little minds.
But I'll link you anyhoo....www.google.com

 

[Pogo]

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

I was responding and offering a dialogue exchange with the poster that posted this:
"I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us. "

Links? I've posted all the links you're requesting many times before...the redundancy gets real old, real fast...I get bored leading you LefTards around by the nose only to find that facts and data don't really matter to your twisted tiny little minds.
But I'll link you anyhoo....www.google.com

So you have no links whatsoever, you just pull it out of your ass, invite questions, and throw a tantrum when you get 'em..

Thanks for clearing that up. It was at least quick.

Next in line please.............

 

[sakinago]

How do you not see the argument...why should the entire executive branch be represented by those in NY and LA?

It shouldn't. And it isn't. And repeating the same lame meme that can't be logically backed up doesn't make it somehow take on logical qualities.

Case closed.

Why bother campaigning in the mid-west let alone the more rural counties of the entire country?

Indeed. That's a major part of the argument against WTA. Hillary Clinton need not campaign in Utah or Texas, because their states' EVs are already decided before anybody goes to the polls. Rump need not campaign there either, for the exact same reason. Same for New York. And Idaho. And Massachusetts. And Kansas. And we can do this all day.

The reasons for instituting the EC were clear and just, we were never intended to be a strict democracy, which is just tyranny by another name.

See above about repeating mindless meme that can't be justified, so many times that you delude yourself into stating that the emperor really is wearing clothes, yeah that's the ticket.

Yep, the reasons for instituting the EC were clear. Part of it was that the technological miliieu of the 18th century made it unlikely that a voter in Georgia would have any contact or knowledge of a candy in New Hamster (or vice versa). Another part of it was to artificially inflate Slave Power, which doesn't mean what it appears to mean according to standard English syntax.

And part of it was to allow clearer heads to prevail -- and overrule -- when a con artist flimflamed the populace into voting for him. This part has by now had its balls cut off by the Duopoly and only a few conscientious electors who cast votes for Kasich and Sanders and Spotted Eagle and Powell, remain to carry out that duty. The rest have been cowed into subservience by blatantly unConstitutional state laws that make it illegal for them to carry out that duty.

But what it was never intended to do was to divisively degenerate the election process into a matter of one state voting against another state, and utterly ignoring the wishes of its minority vote. That's why the ECs main architect James Madison called for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting WTA once it snowballed itself into the lockstep bullshit it's become today, and was already becoming then.

Its purpose was also not to keep out any possible encroachment by any possible third party and thereby allow a Duopoly of collusion between two party with names that are different and little else. But that's exactly what it does. Always instructive to see who's happy with that condition.

The EC still gives weight to the more heavily populated areas, but it also gives a better balance of proportionality. You have to campaign to the entire population, not just to the cities.

You don't have to campaign at all if the state is "red" or "blue" --- as just noted above. It's already decided, don't waste your time. And in Alaska and Hawaìi, the two Duopoly party have already pre-apportioned them. Nobody from either side of the Duopoly goes there ever. Those decks are already stacked.

Such a deal huh?

As for proportionate weight to population, that's kind of what majority rule means. Get more votes, your vote prevails. A child can understand that.

Ever heard of "one man, one vote"?
On the other hand ever heard of "one acre, one vote"?

Didn't think so.

The rest of the above was redundant and way TL;DR. Here's your homework assignment: look up the concept of "paragraph breaks".

The bottom line here is that the EC as it's practiced today has multiple deleterious effects:

(a) it shuts out most of the country from contact with candidates;

(b) it keeps voter turnout abysmally and embarrassingly low, because for an individual voter, what's the point?;

(c) it preserves, protects and perpetuates the hegemony of the Duopoly by shutting out any voice outside that Duopoly (how many EVs did Ross Perot get again?);

(d) it divides the country into bogus "red" and "blue" regions, a concept that wouldn't even EXIST if the WTA-EC didn't create it;

and (e) it makes us all dependent on polls to determine which states are "in play" (see bogus concept directly above), because no election is decided by "urban" or "rural" --- it's decided by "swing states" -- and there's that same bogus concept yet again.

But hey, at least we eliminated (f) where it handed overproportionate power to slave-holding states who had no say in it, which is why four of our first five Presidents were slaveholders from the South. That's progress of a sort. The problem is, that's the only deleterious effect we've eliminated in the last 152 years.

Wow, everything you just said is not only supposition, but most are false and short sighted. The American regional politics changes ALL THE TIME. And the policy of the 2 party’s changes ALL THE TIME (and I hate the 2 party system). But they are both done at this point. They will either stick to their same old bs and die off, or jump onto another train and be a different party but just retain the same name...AND THERE WERE CAMPAIGN EVENTS ACROSS RURAL AMERICA BY BOTH CANDIDATES. Making it a popularity vote, WILL ONLY ENHANCE THE PROBLEMS YOU CLAIM THE EC CREATES. And the 3/5s ruling is what gave unequal power to slave states, not the EC, and it should’ve been 0/5s...but I don’t blame people not following the constitution, on the constitution. Again we were never intended to be a pure democracy, we’re a regional republic, and divide those regions into states, and further into counties. The reason we did this, is because the heavily populated areas would just roll over the less populated areas, had we gone with a pure democracy. It wouldn’t be about the country itd be about the northeast and California telling the rest of the country what to do. The states are a hedge to against both the federal powers and mob rule. And yes they choose who they vote for before hand....but then they have to be voted for by the population in order for the Candidate to get that vote. Republics work, as in US and Switzerland, both two of the oldest and most successful governments/nations in the history of humanity...it’s not coincedence either. We’ve obviously been doing something right, and the schism in politics right now is nothing new, yet we still survive and thrive...and it’s because our founders while not perfect, took great care in decentralizing power, and giving power to the individual, not the mob, not the fed, not the state, not the military. If you want to bitch about how messed up the election system is, bitch about the superdelegates in the DNC, goes to show how much of a misnomer “Democrat” really is.

 

[BrokeLoser]

We are more productive than most of those states. We are also diverse and accepting.
We are not affected by trumps racism, we have illegals who are decent people that came here to better their lives. Leave us alone.

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

California isn't in the top 6, by percentages. Poverty stricken states are Republican. The popular vote should elect the President(.) Trump stated he would have won the popular vote if he had chosen to, wwhy the bizarre, incorrect posts?

The rest of the country is leaving you assholes alone. Check out the stats on the number of businesses/people AKA$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!! leaving your shithole.
Whenever the subject of the EC is brought up a good question is: What do you think the people in the small states would think if the EC was removed?

I live here, we make more than most states....We drive expensive cars....we live in perfect weather and we are enjoying our lives. We don't hate on nobody and we don't car what a miserable racist red neck think of us.

When you say "we" are you referring to the high iQ tech folks of Silicon Valley, the wack-jobs of Hollyweird and a few others that make the spread sheet look good?
It doesn't matter how many times you make your retarded proclamation...it won't become truth or fact....everyone knows that Mexifornia is full of low iQ, disgusting Mexicans...that's why it's become such a shithole on paper and otherwise. A Mexifornia without all the filthy wetbacks is a nicer, safer, more productive CALIFORNIA....this isn't an opinion, the data proves it...Here are some of those things you hate...FACTS!

CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients
CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation
CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?
CA=Crime rates off the charts
CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state
Any questions?

Couple, yeah.

1. "CA=12% of the nations population...33% of the nations welfare recipients" <<-- Question 1: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question two -- Link?
   
2. "CA=20.6% of residents live in poverty, the highest rate in the nation" -- Provably bullshit. Question 3,: what does this have to do with the electoral college? Question 4, why are you not counting Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma? Have they seceded?
   
3. "CA=Home to more illegals than any other state...coincidence?" <-- Question 5: home to more PEOPLE than any other state.... math? Question 6 what does this have to do with the Electrical College? Question 7: Link?
   
4. "CA=Crime rates off the charts" <--- Question 8: "charts"? Suddenly we abandon specificity? Link?
   
5. "CA=Home to more incarcerated than any other state" <--- Question 9: same as Question 5 Question 10: Link? Question 11: what the fuck does this have to do with the electrical college?

California isn't in the top 6, by percentages. Poverty stricken states are Republican. The popular vote should elect the President(.) Trump stated he would have won the popular vote if he had chosen to, wwhy the bizarre, incorrect posts?

I know it isn't --- that's what I just said, noting that Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, DC, Georgia, West Virginia, AridZona, Tennessee, BOTH of the Carolinas, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma have higher poverty rates. Which is also what my link says.

NEGATIVE Loons....think once.
Poverty In America By The Numbers

 

[NYcarbineer]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

And what is the argument? You say there is one, but you don't make it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How do you not see the argument...why should the entire executive branch be represented by those in NY and LA?

It shouldn't. And it isn't. And repeating the same lame meme that can't be logically backed up doesn't make it somehow take on logical qualities.

Case closed.

Why bother campaigning in the mid-west let alone the more rural counties of the entire country?

Indeed. That's a major part of the argument against WTA. Hillary Clinton need not campaign in Utah or Texas, because their states' EVs are already decided before anybody goes to the polls. Rump need not campaign there either, for the exact same reason. Same for New York. And Idaho. And Massachusetts. And Kansas. And we can do this all day.

The reasons for instituting the EC were clear and just, we were never intended to be a strict democracy, which is just tyranny by another name.

See above about repeating mindless meme that can't be justified, so many times that you delude yourself into stating that the emperor really is wearing clothes, yeah that's the ticket.

Yep, the reasons for instituting the EC were clear. Part of it was that the technological miliieu of the 18th century made it unlikely that a voter in Georgia would have any contact or knowledge of a candy in New Hamster (or vice versa). Another part of it was to artificially inflate Slave Power, which doesn't mean what it appears to mean according to standard English syntax.

And part of it was to allow clearer heads to prevail -- and overrule -- when a con artist flimflamed the populace into voting for him. This part has by now had its balls cut off by the Duopoly and only a few conscientious electors who cast votes for Kasich and Sanders and Spotted Eagle and Powell, remain to carry out that duty. The rest have been cowed into subservience by blatantly unConstitutional state laws that make it illegal for them to carry out that duty.

But what it was never intended to do was to divisively degenerate the election process into a matter of one state voting against another state, and utterly ignoring the wishes of its minority vote. That's why the ECs main architect James Madison called for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting WTA once it snowballed itself into the lockstep bullshit it's become today, and was already becoming then.

Its purpose was also not to keep out any possible encroachment by any possible third party and thereby allow a Duopoly of collusion between two party with names that are different and little else. But that's exactly what it does. Always instructive to see who's happy with that condition.

The EC still gives weight to the more heavily populated areas, but it also gives a better balance of proportionality. You have to campaign to the entire population, not just to the cities.

You don't have to campaign at all if the state is "red" or "blue" --- as just noted above. It's already decided, don't waste your time. And in Alaska and Hawaìi, the two Duopoly party have already pre-apportioned them. Nobody from either side of the Duopoly goes there ever. Those decks are already stacked.

Such a deal huh?

As for proportionate weight to population, that's kind of what majority rule means. Get more votes, your vote prevails. A child can understand that.

Ever heard of "one man, one vote"?
On the other hand ever heard of "one acre, one vote"?

Didn't think so.

The rest of the above was redundant and way TL;DR. Here's your homework assignment: look up the concept of "paragraph breaks".

The bottom line here is that the EC as it's practiced today has multiple deleterious effects:

(a) it shuts out most of the country from contact with candidates;

(b) it keeps voter turnout abysmally and embarrassingly low, because for an individual voter, what's the point?;

(c) it preserves, protects and perpetuates the hegemony of the Duopoly by shutting out any voice outside that Duopoly (how many EVs did Ross Perot get again?);

(d) it divides the country into bogus "red" and "blue" regions, a concept that wouldn't even EXIST if the WTA-EC didn't create it;

and (e) it makes us all dependent on polls to determine which states are "in play" (see bogus concept directly above), because no election is decided by "urban" or "rural" --- it's decided by "swing states" -- and there's that same bogus concept yet again.

But hey, at least we eliminated (f) where it handed overproportionate power to slave-holding states who had no say in it, which is why four of our first five Presidents were slaveholders from the South. That's progress of a sort. The problem is, that's the only deleterious effect we've eliminated in the last 152 years.

Wow, everything you just said is not only supposition, but most are false and short sighted. The American regional politics changes ALL THE TIME. And the policy of the 2 party’s changes ALL THE TIME (and I hate the 2 party system). But they are both done at this point. They will either stick to their same old bs and die off, or jump onto another train and be a different party but just retain the same name...AND THERE WERE CAMPAIGN EVENTS ACROSS RURAL AMERICA BY BOTH CANDIDATES. Making it a popularity vote, WILL ONLY ENHANCE THE PROBLEMS YOU CLAIM THE EC CREATES. And the 3/5s ruling is what gave unequal power to slave states, not the EC, and it should’ve been 0/5s...but I don’t blame people not following the constitution, on the constitution. Again we were never intended to be a pure democracy, we’re a regional republic, and divide those regions into states, and further into counties. The reason we did this, is because the heavily populated areas would just roll over the less populated areas, had we gone with a pure democracy. It wouldn’t be about the country itd be about the northeast and California telling the rest of the country what to do. The states are a hedge to against both the federal powers and mob rule. And yes they choose who they vote for before hand....but then they have to be voted for by the population in order for the Candidate to get that vote. Republics work, as in US and Switzerland, both two of the oldest and most successful governments/nations in the history of humanity...it’s not coincedence either. We’ve obviously been doing something right, and the schism in politics right now is nothing new, yet we still survive and thrive...and it’s because our founders while not perfect, took great care in decentralizing power, and giving power to the individual, not the mob, not the fed, not the state, not the military. If you want to bitch about how messed up the election system is, bitch about the superdelegates in the DNC, goes to show how much of a misnomer “Democrat” really is.

You reject Democracy in any of its forms. You are a good example of modern American conservatism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If an electoral college method of doing elections is the best way to do them,

then 99.9% of the elections held in this country are doing them a worse way.

Yabbut, what about all those states that elect their governors based on county electoral votes cashed in by whoever wins that county?

Oh wait --- there's no such thing and never has been. Yet it's exactly the same idea the ECpologists try to run with.

Sooooooo uh, that means it's such a good idea that no state has ever done it.

AWK-ward.....

I still find it instructive that the only other country that gives its citizens a vote, and then filters it through a proxy system, is Pakistan.

There was some speculation among pundits back in 2000 that a scenario where Gore would lose the popular vote but win the electoral vote could happen.

Can you imagine the Right's reaction had that been the case?? lol

 

[Pogo]

The American regional politics changes ALL THE TIME.

Oh does it now

Then essplain why this board is constantly whining about "red states" and "blue states" and how "California and New York shouldn't count". Explain the terms "Solid South" and the "Southern Strategy" and "flyover country".

These change "all the time" do they?

(and I hate the 2 party system)

Apparently not, since you're shilling for the very mechanism that keeps it in place.

AND THERE WERE CAMPAIGN EVENTS ACROSS RURAL AMERICA BY BOTH CANDIDATES.

Only in "swing states". Again, already covered this too.

Making it a popularity vote, WILL ONLY ENHANCE THE PROBLEMS YOU CLAIM THE EC CREATES.

Once again, simply saying so doesn't make it so. Make your case with cause and effect.
You know --- like I did.

nd the 3/5s ruling is what gave unequal power to slave states, not the EC, and it should’ve been 0/5s

It was exactly the EC that gave Virginia the power to elect ten of the first eleven administrations, with their inflated and dominant EC vote power -- inflated by its slave population. That's why the 3/5 Compromise was struck in the first place!

but I don’t blame people not following the constitution, on the constitution.

Nor do I. Again, try to make your case with cause and effect. I don't know where y'all yahoos get this idea that you can just proclaim something by capricious fiat.

I had a capricious Fiat once but that's another story....


Again this is where I stopped. Again the reason is "paragraph breaks".
I hear they're on sale today.

 

[sakinago]

Dallas also has a large population; the EC was set up since lack of transportation made voting time consuming, transporting ballots impossible in places, and was intended to reflect the popular vote. Problems begun with J.Q. Adams/Jackson, Tilden/Hayes led to riots. Clinton's popular vote victory was large enough to make the error glaring. There is no reason why my vote counts less than that of an Iowa citizen. Popular vote, OR, modified EC reflects the actual vote. Two states have modified EC.

Explain why small states (population) receive greater weighted votes.

It did reflect the actual vote and you are 100% wrong on why the EC was instituted.
Origins of the Electoral College

And yes it did reflect the vote. Trump won states that no republican had won in 40 years...that he was definitely supposed to loose. It was an absolute landslide. The extra 3 million came pretty much from California and nyc, places that were already voting blue with heavy populations. Not only did trump carry pretty much all of the swing states (what has become swing states in recent history), he carried traditionally blue states as well. State by state, outside of the left strongholds of the northeast and Pacific coast, went heavily for trump. That kind of just proves why the EC is necessary, and why areas where this out of reality elitist group think rules shouldn’t be able to decide for the rest of the country.

 

[Rustic]

If ever there was an argument for the Electoral College... this may be it.

You didn't even make an argument here, Dumb Shit.
Nor are you even capable of making one.

Says a total dolt, we cant have crazy Cali determining the direction of this country you dumbass shit. Lol