Why Wall St. Is Deserting Obama

He's too schizophrenic. One day he's giving them $Billions in Bailouts and the next day he's calling them "Evil Corporations." He's just too inconsistent and that's always bad for Wall Street. He just can't decide whether they're his good buds or "Evil Corporations." This kind of uncertainty is never good for Wall Street.
 
Can our country afford to have investments in America disappear due to Obama's policies?
Yeah.....we need to Allow The Marketplace To Regulate Itself. :rolleyes:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2iHksmF7m4]YouTube - American Casino: Greenspan's "flaw in the model"[/ame]​

The day Waxman goes after Barney Frankenstein is the day i'll believe Dems are really concerned about protecting the American public...


So how was this real estate bubble created in the first place?

In 1994, the Clinton Administration went directly to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and promoted an initiative called The National Homeownership Strategy, which pushed for looser and more creative lending guidelines from both the public (FHA & Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) and private sector's lending institutions .

They released a document, called "The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream," and here's a telling excerpt:

"For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."

And it worked: from 1994 to 2004, the percentage of U.S. homeowners rose from roughly 64% to roughly 69%. Loose lending guidelines, continued and exacerbated by the Bush Administration and its artificially low interest rates, made money cheap, easy, and available to everyone, which created a buying frenzy, which, of course, drove up real estate prices, creating the real estate bubble. Never mind the fact that many of these borrowers were simply not qualified for homeownership, and subsequently defaulted, leading to an avalanche of foreclosures, which burst that real estate bubble.

Incidentally the National Homeownership Strategy document was posted on HUD's website until 2007, when HUD removed it, presumably out of embarrassment and fear of denouncement.

The U.S. government specifically condoned and encouraged the subprime mortgage industry, despite its current cries of outrage. This is our government, that we created, out of complacency and foolishness. We wanted cheap money, they made it a reality, and now we want someone to blame, so we can sleep at night feeling like innocent victims. Look in the mirror, and look at your politicians."


Read more: The True Story Behind The Economic Meltdown: Hud, The Clinton & Bush Administrations, And The National Homeownership Strategy
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How did a strategy started in 1994 geared toward regulated depository institutions cause a massive subprime explosion between 2003 and 2006, fueled almost exclusively by non-CRA, non-FDIC financial institutions ?
 
They can't be his good buds and "Evil Corporations" at the same time. Too many mixed signals coming from this President. He's trying to please his deranged Leftist base while also bailing out Corporations. He's confusing everyone.
 

The day Waxman goes after Barney Frankenstein is the day i'll believe Dems are really concerned about protecting the American public...


So how was this real estate bubble created in the first place?

In 1994, the Clinton Administration went directly to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and promoted an initiative called The National Homeownership Strategy, which pushed for looser and more creative lending guidelines from both the public (FHA & Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) and private sector's lending institutions .

They released a document, called "The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream," and here's a telling excerpt:

"For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."

And it worked: from 1994 to 2004, the percentage of U.S. homeowners rose from roughly 64% to roughly 69%. Loose lending guidelines, continued and exacerbated by the Bush Administration and its artificially low interest rates, made money cheap, easy, and available to everyone, which created a buying frenzy, which, of course, drove up real estate prices, creating the real estate bubble. Never mind the fact that many of these borrowers were simply not qualified for homeownership, and subsequently defaulted, leading to an avalanche of foreclosures, which burst that real estate bubble.

Incidentally the National Homeownership Strategy document was posted on HUD's website until 2007, when HUD removed it, presumably out of embarrassment and fear of denouncement.

The U.S. government specifically condoned and encouraged the subprime mortgage industry, despite its current cries of outrage. This is our government, that we created, out of complacency and foolishness. We wanted cheap money, they made it a reality, and now we want someone to blame, so we can sleep at night feeling like innocent victims. Look in the mirror, and look at your politicians."


Read more: The True Story Behind The Economic Meltdown: Hud, The Clinton & Bush Administrations, And The National Homeownership Strategy
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution

How did a strategy started in 1994 geared toward regulated depository institutions cause a massive subprime explosion between 2003 and 2006, fueled almost exclusively by non-CRA, non-FDIC financial institutions ?

Definitely helped to pave the way...following it in 1995 the Community Reinvestment Act was passed...

The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices.

"Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.



But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

Now that the bubble has burst and the "systemic risk" is apparent to all, Frank blithely declares: "The private sector got us into this mess." Well, give the congressman points for gall. Wall Street and private lenders have plenty to answer for, but it was Washington and the political class that derailed this train. If Frank is looking for a culprit to blame, he can find one suspect in the nearest mirror.

Granting loans to minorities. Pressuring banks to give loans to people without credit worthiness threatening lawsuits from Barak Obama's group called ACORN.

See the plot thickens now when you see the full picture, and the liberal media actually doing what it is paid to do. Investigate the truth without taking sides.

For too long the liberal media has blamed the Bush administration, meanwhile through the back door, Democratic leaders like Christopher Dood, and Barney Frank were sabotaging our financial stability and single handily crashed the housing market in the United States for years to come.

Democrats can blame the eight years of Bush's failed economic policies all they want.

Now, behold, the truth and the whole truth is coming out and it is the governments interfering with the banking system, and forcing banks to loan money to minority borrowers who did not qualify, threatening racial lawsuits and monetary judgments.

All in the name of the glorious Marxist, socialism plan of Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and yes, Barak Obama and his ties to ACORN who were the very firm that threatened lawsuits and received monetary paypacks for putting pressure on the FED'S to loan the money to minorities.

Change...this is the change Barak Obama is calling for?

Barney Frank Cried Racism And Look What Happened
 
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Wall St. is going to embrace whoever they think is going to give them the most cheese, no different than an inner city welfare recipient.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The inner city welfare recipient is not among the greatest means of innovation and job creation.

It is comments such as this that make one both laugh and then sit stunned at the implication of such vast ignorance...
 
The day Waxman goes after Barney Frankenstein is the day i'll believe Dems are really concerned about protecting the American public...

How did a strategy started in 1994 geared toward regulated depository institutions cause a massive subprime explosion between 2003 and 2006, fueled almost exclusively by non-CRA, non-FDIC financial institutions ?

Definitely helped to pave the way...following it in 1995 the Community Reinvestment Act was passed...

The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices.

"Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.



But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

Now that the bubble has burst and the "systemic risk" is apparent to all, Frank blithely declares: "The private sector got us into this mess." Well, give the congressman points for gall. Wall Street and private lenders have plenty to answer for, but it was Washington and the political class that derailed this train. If Frank is looking for a culprit to blame, he can find one suspect in the nearest mirror.

Granting loans to minorities. Pressuring banks to give loans to people without credit worthiness threatening lawsuits from Barak Obama's group called ACORN.

See the plot thickens now when you see the full picture, and the liberal media actually doing what it is paid to do. Investigate the truth without taking sides.

For too long the liberal media has blamed the Bush administration, meanwhile through the back door, Democratic leaders like Christopher Dood, and Barney Frank were sabotaging our financial stability and single handily crashed the housing market in the United States for years to come.

Democrats can blame the eight years of Bush's failed economic policies all they want.

Now, behold, the truth and the whole truth is coming out and it is the governments interfering with the banking system, and forcing banks to loan money to minority borrowers who did not qualify, threatening racial lawsuits and monetary judgments.

All in the name of the glorious Marxist, socialism plan of Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and yes, Barak Obama and his ties to ACORN who were the very firm that threatened lawsuits and received monetary paypacks for putting pressure on the FED'S to loan the money to minorities.

Change...this is the change Barak Obama is calling for?

Barney Frank Cried Racism And Look What Happened

the Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977.

By the way, since when was it bad policy to give loans to minorities? And how did the CRA cause a massive run-up in subprime loan origination at non-depository institutions?
 
Wall St. is going to embrace whoever they think is going to give them the most cheese, no different than an inner city welfare recipient.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The inner city welfare recipient is not among the greatest means of innovation and job creation.

It is comments such as this that make one both laugh and then sit stunned at the implication of such vast ignorance...

Most people try to hide their love of corporate welfare. Glad to see you wear it proudly.
 
Wall St. is going to embrace whoever they think is going to give them the most cheese, no different than an inner city welfare recipient.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The inner city welfare recipient is not among the greatest means of innovation and job creation.

It is comments such as this that make one both laugh and then sit stunned at the implication of such vast ignorance...

So you think corporate subsidies are needed? I thought you supported less government, I guess I truly was ignorant as to how you felt.
 
He tries to placate his fanatical Left Wing base too much. He tries to have his cake and eat it too. He gives these Corporations $Billions in Tax Payer Bailouts while at the same time calling them "Evil Corporations." Most Leftists i observe try to have it both ways on Wall Street issues. He just needs to stop sending Wall Street these mixed signals.
 
Wall St. is going to embrace whoever they think is going to give them the most cheese, no different than an inner city welfare recipient.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The inner city welfare recipient is not among the greatest means of innovation and job creation.

It is comments such as this that make one both laugh and then sit stunned at the implication of such vast ignorance...

So you think corporate subsidies are needed? I thought you supported less government, I guess I truly was ignorant as to how you felt.


No - you are not understanding there pard.

I pointed out that corporations actually PRODUCE - innovation, jobs, wealth, etc. You can argue against corporate welfare and I would support said arguement. That is not what you did - either by intent or foolishness.

The "inner city welfare recipient" - what do they produce that is similar?

Nothing.
 
He tries to placate his fanatical Left Wing base too much. He tries to have his cake and eat it too. He gives these Corporations $Billions in Tax Payer Bailouts while at the same time calling them "Evil Corporations." Most Leftists i observe try to have it both ways on Wall Street issues. He just needs to stop sending Wall Street these mixed signals.

That is all Obama has are mixed signals. The man appears utterly clueless - and even his once-great speechifying skills have now abondoned him...
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How did a strategy started in 1994 geared toward regulated depository institutions cause a massive subprime explosion between 2003 and 2006, fueled almost exclusively by non-CRA, non-FDIC financial institutions ?

Definitely helped to pave the way...following it in 1995 the Community Reinvestment Act was passed...

The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices.

"Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.



But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

Now that the bubble has burst and the "systemic risk" is apparent to all, Frank blithely declares: "The private sector got us into this mess." Well, give the congressman points for gall. Wall Street and private lenders have plenty to answer for, but it was Washington and the political class that derailed this train. If Frank is looking for a culprit to blame, he can find one suspect in the nearest mirror.

Granting loans to minorities. Pressuring banks to give loans to people without credit worthiness threatening lawsuits from Barak Obama's group called ACORN.

See the plot thickens now when you see the full picture, and the liberal media actually doing what it is paid to do. Investigate the truth without taking sides.

For too long the liberal media has blamed the Bush administration, meanwhile through the back door, Democratic leaders like Christopher Dood, and Barney Frank were sabotaging our financial stability and single handily crashed the housing market in the United States for years to come.

Democrats can blame the eight years of Bush's failed economic policies all they want.

Now, behold, the truth and the whole truth is coming out and it is the governments interfering with the banking system, and forcing banks to loan money to minority borrowers who did not qualify, threatening racial lawsuits and monetary judgments.

All in the name of the glorious Marxist, socialism plan of Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and yes, Barak Obama and his ties to ACORN who were the very firm that threatened lawsuits and received monetary paypacks for putting pressure on the FED'S to loan the money to minorities.

Change...this is the change Barak Obama is calling for?

Barney Frank Cried Racism And Look What Happened

the Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977.
Yes, it was passed then but also revised and passed again in 1995.
By the way, since when was it bad policy to give loans to minorities?
Since when they didn't financially qualify to pay back the loan
And how did the CRA cause a massive run-up in subprime loan origination at non-depository institutions?
I suppose after looking at the lucrative returns they could get...many pension fund and insurance company investment managers got greedy and joined in the feeding frenzy
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And how did the CRA cause a massive run-up in subprime loan origination at non-depository institutions?
I'm sure the fear of complaints from political race hustlers and poverty pimps, over lack of ability of some to come up with decent downstrokes and "red lining" of high risk neighborhoods, played into the mix.

But I guess negative externaities of political do-goodery aren't anywhere near as onerous, as those generated by people who're just out trying to turn a buck the best way they know how, huh ?
 
Wall Street donated $700 million to Democrats in 2008, but the Dems did not come through, and they feel demonized. Wall Street has donated nearly $700 million to the Republicans for the 2010 year elections and now the republicans are reaping the benefits....because Wall Street thinks they will help them.

the Ferris wheel keeps turning, just like the money meant to influence keeps flowing.

Meanwhile, the unemployed continue to be unemployed because of greed. The greed which translates: "Until I'm assured I'm gonna get more, fuck you."
 
Can our country afford to have investments in America disappear due to Obama's policies?
Yeah.....we need to Allow The Marketplace To Regulate Itself. :rolleyes:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2iHksmF7m4]YouTube - American Casino: Greenspan's "flaw in the model"[/ame]​

The day Waxman goes after Barney Frankenstein is the day i'll believe Dems are really concerned about protecting the American public...


So how was this real estate bubble created in the first place?

In 1994, the Clinton Administration went directly to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and promoted an initiative called The National Homeownership Strategy, which pushed for looser and more creative lending guidelines from both the public (FHA & Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) and private sector's lending institutions .

They released a document, called "The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream," and here's a telling excerpt:

"For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."

And it worked: from 1994 to 2004, the percentage of U.S. homeowners rose from roughly 64% to roughly 69%. Loose lending guidelines, continued and exacerbated by the Bush Administration and its artificially low interest rates, made money cheap, easy, and available to everyone, which created a buying frenzy, which, of course, drove up real estate prices, creating the real estate bubble. Never mind the fact that many of these borrowers were simply not qualified for homeownership, and subsequently defaulted, leading to an avalanche of foreclosures, which burst that real estate bubble.

Incidentally the National Homeownership Strategy document was posted on HUD's website until 2007, when HUD removed it, presumably out of embarrassment and fear of denouncement.

The U.S. government specifically condoned and encouraged the subprime mortgage industry, despite its current cries of outrage. This is our government, that we created, out of complacency and foolishness. We wanted cheap money, they made it a reality, and now we want someone to blame, so we can sleep at night feeling like innocent victims. Look in the mirror, and look at your politicians."


Read more: The True Story Behind The Economic Meltdown: Hud, The Clinton & Bush Administrations, And The National Homeownership Strategy
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution

So since the Bush Administration expanded home ownership, why do you continue to blame only Democrats?
 
Wall Street donated $700 million to Democrats in 2008, but the Dems did not come through, and they feel demonized. Wall Street has donated nearly $700 million to the Republicans for the 2010 year elections and now the republicans are reaping the benefits....because Wall Street thinks they will help them.

the Ferris wheel keeps turning, just like the money meant to influence keeps flowing.

Meanwhile, the unemployed continue to be unemployed because of greed. The greed which translates: "Until I'm assured I'm gonna get more, fuck you."
Yeah...Unfortunately, that greedy epithet is being shouted by the likes of UAW, AFACME, NEA and AFT union goons, demanding that the feds bail out their poorly invested and administered pension funds.
 
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How did a strategy started in 1994 geared toward regulated depository institutions cause a massive subprime explosion between 2003 and 2006, fueled almost exclusively by non-CRA, non-FDIC financial institutions ?

Oh stop putting wedges in the middle of their perfect strategy. ;) It's all the Democrats' fault. It's all Fannie & Freddie's fault. It's all Obama's fault. Goldman-Sachs was the only investment bank playing games with home mortgages/securities for trade.
 
Can our country afford to have investments in America disappear due to Obama's policies?

Of course! Wall Street should be shut down as an illegal gambling machine, and make corporations borrow from banks where their business practices are put in the spot light, and decisions on loaning them money is weighed by financial experts, and where workers wages & benefits are not gutted, and headed to the next lazy slouch laying in the Bahama sun.
 
Wall St. is going to embrace whoever they think is going to give them the most cheese, no different than an inner city welfare recipient.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The inner city welfare recipient is not among the greatest means of innovation and job creation.

It is comments such as this that make one both laugh and then sit stunned at the implication of such vast ignorance...

WTF does Wall Street create? Its creations nearly destroyed the global economy.

I know some of those "monied elite" that Sorkin talks about in his article. Here is a line in that article.

Issues like the carry-interest tax on private equity or the Volcker Rule have become personal.

A couple of months ago, I was sitting in the office of one of those monied elites when the White House called. (They called for the guy I was sitting with, not me. I'm a nobody.) They were calling for his counsel on the tax on carried interest. What is carried interest you ask? Carried interest is the fee the hedge fund or private equity manager charges on the profits he has generated for his clients. That is usually 20%. So if a hedge fund manages $1 billion for clients, and earns $200 million for his clients, the hedge fund manager charges his clients $40 million. That $40 million is "carried interest."

Many years ago, these "monied interests" paid lobbyists a ton of money to pay off Congress to pass a law stating that carried interest is capital gains. Of course, it is not. Capital gains are the gains you get from investing your own money. It is not the money you get from investing other people's money. But Wall Street was able to pay off enough Congressmen and Senators to deem it similar to capital gains.

If you do anything for a living where you charge someone else for your services, you are taxed at the normal rate of income. You are not taxed at the tax rate for capital gains. Yet, when Wall Street charges fees for its carried interest, it is taxed at a rate than can be 25% lower than the rate you pay. If you install floors for a living and make $80,000 a year, you will pay a higher rate of tax than a hedge fund manager who makes $80,000,000 a year.

The paid shills in the Republican Party fought this, arguing that somehow it would damage the economy because it taxed "capital," which is absolute crap. Its a service, no different than any other service, and should not receive preferential tax treatment, especially since much of this is speculation. Arguing that speculation should be taxed at a lower rate than productive labour is bizarre. This is the shit that just drives me crazy about the GOP.

As for the "Volcker Rule," whether or not it is appropriate, why should Wall Street take it personally? Why the f*** should Wall Street be able to gamble with backing of the federal government if their bets fail?

There is some truth in that article. The Obama administration doesn't understand business. They have to get more business people into the administration, and tone down the rhetoric. But Wall Street has been a major reason for the Financial Crisis. No one from Wall Street should be allowed inside the Beltway, let alone the halls of government. Their influence is corrosive and destructive. Their arguments are usually self-serving.
 
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If Wall St. is abandoning Obama it is because their see the party of their flunkies in ascendancy again.
Heck they do not even need bribing to carry out Wall Street's wishes.
 

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