Stratford57
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Looks like something may come out of this:Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.
Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.
FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side
And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................
I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.
ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.
The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.
UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.
Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."
"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.
Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul