Why my friends are leaving Israel

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    I miss my friends very much. It's not what you think - they are all healthy and doing great. But they had to leave Israel. Pavel worked as a driver and had an old CBR600 motorcycle. Today he is in Canada. My cousin Anna lives in Germany (I must say that I'm not crazy about the choice). Mishke, a biologist with a master's degree, the snob of the group who loves jazz, lives in New York. Yuri, my good friend, moved to Australia.

    Regretfully, the list is long, and it keeps getting longer. The names of more than five people who are dear to me are added to the list each year. My friends are scattered all over the globe. And it's not as if you can say, "Those bastards; who cares if they leave." They were all the salt of the earth, good citizens. They all went to the army, and many of them served in combat units. But after their service they faced a difficult reality: They studied while working, made a living and performed IDF reserves duty. At a certain point they just couldn't take it anymore.

    I admit that this situation has a lot to do with Russian education, which teaches people to overcome and not complain. I am an engineer, not a sociologist, but I want to warn the powers that be that if the emigration from Israel is not stopped, we will all lose. We may even lose the country itself. Because it is not wars or the army or having to learn a new language that breaks these people, it is the absence of the opportunity to live with dignity, start a family or own a home. What breaks these people is the fact that there is no horizon, no hope that something will change.

    Why my friends are leaving Israel - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews
     
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    The Russians were an unusually large group immigrating to Israel beginning in the 1990's. And though Israel was happy to have them, many have not assimilated as well as some other groups. Part of the reason is that Israel is becoming more crowded all the time and therefore has more difficulty in assimilating newcomers. With a population of just under 8 million people--just under 6 million are Jews--it just isn't as easy to assimilate a 100,000 new workers as it is in a country the size of the USA.

    The Israelis do welcome Jews from anywhere, but the same kind of dynamics exist there as existed here for most of two centuries when we needed new immigrants and welcomed them in almost unlimited numbers. Evenso, most new immigrants spent their first generation here digging in and hammering out a modest existance, and it was not until subsequent generations that they began to prosper.

    The same situation exists in Israel re their large influx of new Russian immigrants--most who have been there for less than 20 years. And some are used to more power and prestige than what they have as newcomers. And choose to move on rather than 'pay their dues' so to speak as new immigrants in most countries have to do.

     
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    so? nothing new
     
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    It is a valid topic. Of interest to historians. A political tool for those who are anti-Israel or perhaps even some who are anti-Russian. I have no dog in that fight so for me it is an interesting and multifaceted phenomenon.
     
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    Yes it is----the RUSSIAN immigration to israel was the end result of a "FIGHT"
    ---demands by other jews that the russian jews be LET OUT OF A RUSSIA---which
    did not allow emigration. ie---set free. The reality is that many ---if not MOST
    were not overly enthusiastic about going specifically to ISRAEL and many---whether
    the number is MOST is unknown-----were not even Jews. They were people taking
    advantage of an OPPORTUNITY to get to THE WEST-----Another interesting
    phenomenon----is that the Russian government ALSO grabbed the OPPORTUNITY--
    to get rid of people they did not want Something lie the CUBAN ---empty the
    jails into FLORIDA program I heard about these facts about 35 years ago---
    from a russian immigrant to the USA-----jewish --biochemist-. She predicted
    a big disaster for israel ------it seems she was right. Now there is even a VODKA
    problem in Israel that did not previously exist
     
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    Whereas your friends are leaving Israel, I have quite a few who are moving there. There are far more people moving TO Israel rather than FROM. The future has never looked brighter for Israel. - Jeremiah
     
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    Awwww here is another Hamas terrorist supporter with his fake concern for the fate of everyday Israelis. Yup the same guy who's support for Hamas animals is unending, and keeps repeating the Hamas party line that Israel is inside Palestine and must be annihilated...blah blah blah, is now "concerned" about Israeli immigrants. Gimmi a fucking break. They always assume everybody is a stupid, ignorant, and foolish as they are. Ha ha
     
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    Among the later Russian immigrants, you are correct. Most went to Israel out of an, as it turned out, erroneous assumption they would have greater benefits and opportunity there than what existed in post cold-war Russia. They quickly became disallusioned when they found that life could be even more difficult in Israel than it had been in Russia.

    The early Russian Jews who immigrated to Israel and elsewhere--probably most came to the United States--were true refugees. They were initially forced to sell their property--to Russians of course--and leave. Emigration from Russia was allowed and easy then. (Think the underlying political plot of "Fiddler on the Roof.") And once the regimes of Lenin and then Stalin became firmly entrenched, however, the vicious pograms against the Jews were relentless and horrific. Those driven out and later who got out however they could were true refugees.
     
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    That's right. Israeli economy has been doing astoundingly better than the rest of the world during this worldwide depression and recession.
     
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    From my thread "the year 2048."


    …It has been one hundred years since Roseis was elected PM of Israel, her great grandsons Sniffer and CamelPed are the only two Jews left in the last Jewish Settlement in the Occupied Territories. They were left with trying to convert Palestinians with promises of riches and gold. But alas, no takers, means that they lack the necessary ten Jews to form a congregation…

    It has been 47 years since the wells went dry in the Middle East. Because of this the ME was no longer important strategically to anyone. America left fifty years ago and stopped sending military hardware to Israel because Israel could no longer afford these weapons because all Jewish Israelis had migrated all over the world seeking economic opportunities without the danger of constant war.
     

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