jillian
Princess
It's sorta Unconstitutional.
But most conservatives never bother to read it.
but they love the constitution...
and they're 'patriotic'.
and they're the 'pro-america parts of the country'.
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It's sorta Unconstitutional.
But most conservatives never bother to read it.
i'm sorry... the question? i missed the question
It's sorta Unconstitutional.
But most conservatives never bother to read it.
but they love the constitution...
and they're 'patriotic'.
and they're the 'pro-america parts of the country'.
When we're speaking of habeas and other enumerated rights as they apply to Gitmo, we're speaking specifically of liberties that are protected by law. In other words, enforcement of our constitution and laws promulgated under it.
So answer the question.
i'm sorry... the question? i missed the question
Do we have an obligation to enforce our own laws, protect enumerated rights and follow our own due process within our jurisdiction or not?
When we're speaking of habeas and other enumerated rights as they apply to Gitmo, we're speaking specifically of liberties that are protected by law. In other words, enforcement of our constitution and laws promulgated under it.
So answer the question.
i'm sorry... the question? i missed the question
Of course you did.
One more time, for the hard of reading:
Do we have an obligation to enforce our own laws, protect enumerated rights and follow our own due process within our jurisdiction or not?
I'll give you a hint: The question does have a correct answer.
It's sorta Unconstitutional.
But most conservatives never bother to read it.
but they love the constitution...
and they're 'patriotic'.
and they're the 'pro-america parts of the country'.
you sound bitter j.
can someone remind me why guantanamo is a bad thing?
i'm sorry... the question? i missed the question
This was her question:
Do we have an obligation to enforce our own laws, protect enumerated rights and follow our own due process within our jurisdiction or not?
the right to vote? the right to healthcare for illegals "under u.s. jurisdiction"
how about any one that visits american soil, do they all have the same rights as we do? this is the kind of "it's that simple" logic that won you the white house
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
There is a question of whether or not the US should extend constitutional rights to those who are not citizens.
The Supreme Court jurisprudence has mandated Habeas Corpus for any "person" on US soil.
The gitmo is not considered American soil, but it is controlled by the US military. It therefore is exempt from mandate of Habeas Corpus.
It is arguably constitutional given the current interpretation by the Supreme Courts.
Putting aside the question of its constitutionality, it essentially represents the US's willingness to compromise its own principles for security.
To those okay with this, I reference Orwell's 1984.
There is a question of whether or not the US should extend constitutional rights to those who are not citizens.
The Supreme Court jurisprudence has mandated Habeas Corpus for any "person" on US soil.
The gitmo is not considered American soil, but it is controlled by the US military. It therefore is exempt from mandate of Habeas Corpus.
It is arguably constitutional given the current interpretation by the Supreme Courts.
Putting aside the question of its constitutionality, it essentially represents the US's willingness to compromise its own principles for security.
To those okay with this, I reference Orwell's 1984.
there is no precedent for international war on u.s. soil (i don't know if any japanese pilots were "interviewed" once shot down at pearl harbor, before hawaii was a state), also gitmo the base is "american soil", is therefore guarenteed all inalienable rights of the consitution. and is obligated to enforce it's law (article six cotus)
can someone remind me why guantanamo is a bad thing?
the right to vote? the right to healthcare for illegals "under u.s. jurisdiction"
how about any one that visits american soil, do they all have the same rights as we do? this is the kind of "it's that simple" logic that won you the white house
Since you are interested in playing "gotcha" I will post the amendment..since you also seem to be unfamiliar with it:
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It pertains to the law...persons have the right to things like a speedy trial, protection from cruel and unusual punishment, to challenge their incarceration and to representation..
Hope that clears it up.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Gitmo is within the jurisdiction of the USA.
the right to vote? the right to healthcare for illegals "under u.s. jurisdiction"
how about any one that visits american soil, do they all have the same rights as we do? this is the kind of "it's that simple" logic that won you the white house
Since you are interested in playing "gotcha" I will post the amendment..since you also seem to be unfamiliar with it:
It pertains to the law...persons have the right to things like a speedy trial, protection from cruel and unusual punishment, to challenge their incarceration and to representation..
Hope that clears it up.
Sallow:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The thing these morons conveniently, and consistently, overlook is, that, while the first portion defines "citizens," the second portion - where it talks about due process of law and equal protection of the law - is not limited to "citizens." It clearly extends these protections to "any person," citizen or not.