Why I don't blame "illegals"

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    This is one of those issues I think we're looking at in the wrong way. A lot of people complain about illegals crossing the border and stealing our jobs and using our tax dollars. I look at it a little differently....Let me explain.

    First, I asked myself, Why are they coming here in the first place? Well, our media ignores it, but the fact is Mexico is a dangerous place to live with violence and poverty almost everywhere. And we have caused it. First, we have subsidized corn so much that Mexican corn farmers took a big dump. Much in the same way China is subsidizing solar panels and KILLED the solar panel manufacturing industry here in the States. Second, our drug policies fuel the cartels. Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the U.S. If we legalized it and taxed and regulated it as much as alcohol we would KILL the drug wars in Mexico. We would ship our LEGAL drugs to Mexico and make money! The cartels would die.

    Anyway I went on a rant. That's why they come here. It's too dangerous for their families and they need to feed them. I personally can't blame them for something I've caused.

    Now some also complain they are killing our economy by stealing our jobs and using our tax dollars.

    Here's how I refute that.

    They don't take the jobs that many are willing to do. See the other post about Illegals taking concrete work in this category for how I explain they aren't taking jobs in that industry. Many of the jobs they take are hard, labor intensive jobs. A lot of small business owners in the construction industry and farmers in the south can vouch for the fact they can never find good help, unless it is immigrants.

    They aren't taking skilled labor jobs, technical jobs, engineering jobs, jobs that require higher education, public sector jobs like cops/firefighters/teachers/public works/etc.

    Also, they aren't raping our tax system. They do pay taxes in fact. If they are here in the country illegally, they are here buying stuff. They buy all the same things we do. And guess what...they pay SALES TAX. A lot of it!

    No they don't pay federal income tax, social security, or medicare. But guess what, they don't get those services! They don't get social security or medicare so guess what, they'll do that backbreaking hard work for as long as they can, and then get nothing when they "retire." (Or can't physically work anymore)

    So that's just the way I look at. I personally don't have a problem with securing our borders. But if we do that then we need to fix the underlying cause of massive immigration. We caused it, we should fix it.

    3 step approach.

    1. Bring troops home from Afghanistan and the rest of our guys from Iraq and embassies abroad. Secure our borders across land and sea with the MASSIVE amounts of troops at our disposal. Use our defense money for DEFENSE and not world police.

    2. Legalize marijuana. Tax it, Regulate it, Export it. Spend half the money were spending on the drug war now and use it to create rehab centers across the country, use the other half for the deficit.

    3. Send aid to Mexico. Instead of giving billions to Egypt and other foreign countries with those in power who might not be our best interest. Send money to our closest neighbors!

    Any supporters? Also I'd love to here why you wouldn't agree with this. Thanks!
     
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    You are a dumb ass! It is illegal to come here illegally! A country must inforce their laws or it becomes a shit hole like Mexico. I'm a tenth generation American, former US Marine - they take food off my table. They should be shot when they try to invade our country! I love the sovereign USA - I don't give a shit about Mexico or the Mexicans. Americans will do any job - they take construction jobs, and a plethora of others. They need to stay in their country , and make it better instead of stealing from us - you are a trader. You blame us for their criminality. Send Mexico aide- we don't have any money!
     
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    First, how do they take food off your table? Second you're a tenth generation American, former US Marine. But you're predecessor of 11 generations ago immigrated here. Probably for reasons similar to them. Third, I know you don't give a shit about them. That's why their country is in shambles. We don't care as a country what happens to the rest of the world, as long as we get ours. Right? And no, American's won't do any job. There's plenty of lazy American's. Fourth, you said we don't have any money so we shouldn't send them aid. Did you fail to read my post on the solution. Send the money we're sending to Egypt to Mexico. Based upon your post I could imagine you don't like the fact we send Egypt billions either.

    Also I got a negative rep from Wolf that simply said they are law breakers, and my response to him,(I'm a noob so I can't PM yet!) is this.

    "Hey Wolf, Thanks for the feedback. I didn't get much back from you besides the rep. I'm curious though.

    You said, they are lawbreakers.

    Well, yes I know this. But does this make them evil? Or should we be demonizing them? Think about it. How many laws have we all broken in our own life time.

    Nobody's perfect.

    Not to be scrutinizing or anything but just a reflection question here...

    Have you ever broken a law? Was it a silly law? Was it an unjust law? Have you ever drank beer under age? Ever drove over the speed limit? Ever stolen...anything?

    I'm just saying...I know they are law breakers. But I still can't blame them for that. Thanks though!"
     
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    If you can't afford to feed children, don't keep having them!


    Mexico receives $316.7 million dollars in foreign aid from America.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/02/us-offers-foreign-aid-to-countries-holding-billions-in-treasury-securities/

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    Mexico is the 4th Richest Oil Nation in the World.
    www.latinamericanstudies.org/mexico/lopez-portillo.htm

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    “Mexico is a major recipient of remittances, sent mostly from Mexicans in the United States. Remittances are a major source of foreign currency, totaling over $22.73 billion in 2011.

    In 2011, Mexico was the second-largest supplier of oil to the United States.”
    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35749.htm

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    $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

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    Based on studies by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Heritage Foundation, households headed by less-educated illegal aliens use $40 billion more in public services each year than they pay in taxes.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/09/ldt.01.html

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    If current trends continue, the population of the United States will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and 82% of the increase will be due to immigrants. The non-Hispanic white population will increase more slowly than other racial and ethnic groups; whites will become a minority (47%) by 2050.
    http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/85.pdf

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    Okay, here we go again....

    316 million dollars in foreign aid is miniscule. We give Egypt Billions

    Yes, Mexico is the fourth richest oil nation in the world. But do you really think It's a bunch of Mexicans that make the money of off that oil. Have you ever once heard of a Mexican oil company equal to BP or Chevron? Do you think the big oil companies sending us oil from mexico are paying the Mexican workers well? If so, why are the poverty levels so high there?

    Your repressed wages of 200 billion is interesting. But I wonder, why would YOU of all persons not blame the employer of these repressed wages? If you have such a big problem of Mexicans working the jobs that Americans don't want to because they're too hard, then why shouldn't we be angry at the ones who hire them?

    Illegals use 40 billion more than what they pay in taxes...LOL okay first off the a study by the Heritage foundation might be a little biased ya think? Secondly, how about they do a study of how much more money legal American's use than what they pay in Taxes. Oh yeah! That's called the deficit! Hmmm what is it now? Oh ya 16 trillion! Let's subtract 40 billion from that!

    And you put a study that places whites becoming a minority. Yes, it doesn't surprise me that this worries you.

    I'd hoped I would get some better responses to my OP than this. Thanks for your time though!
     
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    There are a lot of unemployed Yanks around, and lots of jobs. So why don't they go for them?
     
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    you could add two more steps: forgive the debt racked up for military takeovers we instigated and funded, and insist on worker protections for all workers, including undocumented ones.
     
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    The moment they sneak across our borders they have committed a crime... How can you give a pass to people who do not respect our Laws? I have no sympathy for illegals.
     
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    IMO, How Mexico choses to treat their citizens and distributes their money is their business. American’s are NOT responsible for the Mexican government’s actions or the welfare of their citizens. Only a traitor would think otherwise.

    If the Mexican people want a change then they must work for a change in their own country. There are over 100 million Mexicans in Mexico. I think they could and should over take the Mexican government if they want change and more fairness. If they’re too cowardice then that’s their fault and they can stay in their 3rd world cesspool of a country and suffer.

    Just because the illegal aliens have brown skin and they’re poor doesn’t mean that they can break any laws they want to. The illegal aliens are ALL criminal law breaking foreign nationals and they think that they have a permanent, “Get-Out-of-Jail-Free-Card” at every turn.

    They don’t think that they should be punished for anything when they break the laws because their “Poor”. That’s a poor excuse that the pro-illegal alien supporter's use when they’re playing the "RACE CARD", it's the only defense that they have.

    Well, the reality check is that everyone in America is subject to the Nation’s laws. The government doesn’t let American’s slide when they break the laws so why should they let the illegal aliens have a free pass. If they don’t like our laws then they can always go home. We are a nation of laws and everyone must play by the same rules and obey the same laws or face the consequences!


    An illegal alien from Mexico rapes a 1-month-old infant to death
    http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s2433540.shtml


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    IMO, People from Mexico think they’re the privileged people on earth. They think any foreign aid or monetary funds should go to them, they’re a greedy bunch. There are more needy and deserving countries in the world than Mexico!

    We didn’t drag their asses over the border and make them work. Yet, they think we owe them for scrubbing our toilets and living off welfare. We provided them with free medical, housing and educated their kids and now their kids are turning against America in favor of Mexico.

    We’re being taken over from the inside by the foreign national invaders who shouldn’t be in this country in the first place! This crap has to stop! We HAVE to end Birthright Citizenship and It's time to deport their sorry asses back to where they came from, and they can take their children with them!


    October 29, 2011

    According to President Obama's own Treasury Department, 2.3 million illegal immigrants who paid no income taxes in 2010 nevertheless received $4.2 billion in tax refunds.

    Illegal aliens received 4.2 billion in tax refund
    http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/oct/29/gallegly-us-magnet-illegal-immigrants-paid-42/
     
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