Why don't most Americans support a "Public Option" for health insurance?

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    Because they don't know what it is.

    You know, last year during the election, an off-shoot conservative group passed around flyers in FL, especially Jewish areas of FL, stating that Sarah Palin was half Jewish and had a flag of Israel along side the flag of the US in her office. This was completely false.

    The Republicans have become the party of no truth. They spread around false rumors and get people upset because they want to ruin Obama's administration and make him fail so they can gain power next year and ultimately get back in office in 2012.

    Unfortunately, there are several Americans that are stupid enough to fall for this shit.

    The Republicans are doing it again by talking about the UK healthcare system or the Canadian healthcare system and show the absolute worst examples of them to scare Americans into thinking that that was our future under healthcare reform. It's a great method because it's a double-edged sword... some congresspeople will get so much flak from their constituents that they will vote against the bill. Others will vote for it and ultimately pass it, which will make their constituents turn against them next November. At least, that's the plan.

    But what's really interesting is how effective the plan is. No matter how often Obama has gone out and said "we're not getting government run health insurance like the UK or Canada" the Republicans still spread the BS around.

    According to fivethirtyeight.com, a majority of Americans polled, don't know what the "Public Option" actually is.

    8.27.2009

    Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters

    by Nate Silver

    8.27.2009
    Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters
    by Nate Silver @ 4:49 PM
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    A new survey by Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates for the AARP reveals widespread uncertainty about the nature of the "public option" -- a government-run health insurance policy that would be offered along with private policies in the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Just 37 percent of the poll's respondents correctly identified the public option from a list of three choices provided to them:

    It is tempting to attribute these results to attempts by conservatives to blur the distinctions of the health care debate. And surely that is part of the story. But it may not be all that much of it. Democrats were more likely than Republicans to correctly identify the public option in this poll, but not by all that wide a margin -- 41 percent versus 34 percent. Meanwhile, 35 percent of Republicans thought the public option refers to "creating a national healthcare system like they have in Great Britain" -- but so did 23 percent of Democrats.

    This should serve as something of a reality check for people on both sides of the public option debate. If the respondents had simply chosen randomly among the three options provide to them, 33 percent would have selected the correct definition for the public option. Instead, only 37 percent did (although 23 percent did not bother to guess). This is mostly a debate being had among policy elites and the relatively small fraction of the public that is highly knowledgeable and engaged about health care reform; for most others, the details are lost on them.

    This is also why relatively small changes in wording can trigger dramatic shifts in support for the public option, which has been as high as 83 percent in some polls and as low as 35 percent in others depending on who is doing the polling and how they're asking the questions. You don't see those sorts of discrepancies when polling about, say, gay marriage or the death penalty, where the options are a little bit more self-evident.

    Unfortunately, some liberal interest groups may be contributing to the confusion as well, with this poll being a prime example. When Penn, Schoen and Berland ask people to identify the public option, they describe it -- correctly -- as offering health insurance at "market rates". However, when they ask people how they feel about the public option, a different concept is introduced:

    "Starting a new federal health insurance plan that individuals could purchase if they can’t afford private plans offered to them."

    Seventy-nine percent of the poll's respondents -- including 61 percent of Republicans -- say they'd support this proposal. But it seems to be a very different proposal from the "public option" that Penn, Schoen and Berland took so much care to define, or the one that is actually being debated before Congress. Rather than offering health insurance at "market rates", the public option has been transformed in this question into a sort of fallback policy for people who are priced out of the market. Moreover, the term "government" has been replaced by the softer but more ambiguous term "federal".

    Also, if you read the fine print, this is an Internet-based poll, which is not something that an esteemed firm like Penn, Schoen and Berland or an esteemed organization like the AARP should be toying with. Telephone polls have their problems, particularly if they do not include respondents with cellphones, but they are a long ways ahead of Internet-based polling. Zogby Interactive, the most prolific (if the least methodologically sound) Internet-based pollster, has missed the outcome of recent elections by an average of 7.6 points when conducting polls online. (Internet-based polling is cheaper to conduct, but as is the case with fine dining in Manhattan, "value" should not be confused for "cost". Any organization commissioning an Internet-based poll is probably wasting its money, because the poll isn't likely to be any good.)

    More generally, there seems to be a sort of arm's-race on both sides of the debate to conduct crappy, manipulative polls on health care reform, and the public option in particular. This poll belongs in the 'crap' pile, as do most of the others. Defenders of the public option, however, should have little to fret about: the most neutrally and accurately-worded polls on the public option -- these are the ones from Quinnipiac and Time/SRBI -- suggest that their position is in the majority, with 56-62 percent of the public supporting the public option and 33-36 percent opposed.
     
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    It's simple. The private sector makes money whereas the government wastes money.
     
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    Not that simple, more like:

    The private sector makes money when we choose them, the government wastes our money and steals a lot of it to. ;)
     
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    You're right. No more education, no more roads, no more defense support for Kevin Kennedy.
     
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    You really believe they are spending money on that stuff? ... and wisely?

    Look around you, they are taking more money from us everyday, yet everything still gets worse.
     
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    Education and roads would be better handled by the private sector. Defense remains a legitimate function of government.
     
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    Actually, they're not. Taxes haven't been raised in almost 20 years. Obama's tax cut actually helped... a little. Obama's cash for clunkers was a raging success, with almost 1 million vehicles sold, which helped manufacturers and dealers alike, and there will be a new cash for appliances soon. So the government is actually GIVING us money.

    I believe, though, that the budget for education has to be increased 10 fold and all state and city universities should give free education to anyone who wants one. A better educated society = a more productive society = higher wage earnings = more tax income to the government.

    I believe we need to end our military occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan... let the UN and NATO handle Afghanistan, or better yet, let Russia. Make employee salaries of up to $100,000 a year be tax deductable as it is for independent contractors... you'll see unemployment literally COLLAPSE in a year and we'll have OVEREMPLOYMENT in two years. Encourage more Americans to open and build a savings account by making the interest you get each year in your savings account tax deductable. A smarter, overemployed society that saves money.

    I'll be running in 2016 in case anyone wants to know.
     
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    Why can't we just privatize our defense department? Just hire military contractors like blackwater and let big bank CEOs run everything else like they did for the past few years... PERFECT idea, Kev!
     
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    Small picture type people like you are too sad to be funny. "Cash for Clunkers" cost taxpayers a fortune in money we don't have, and many of us never drive so it's unfair as well. Obama's tax cuts are being covered by increasing other taxes, which he'll have to increase more to cover the current spending not to mention what he is proposing. As for your idea about unemployment, without corporations there is nowhere to work.
     
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    Big bank CEO's only ran things as much as the government let them.
     

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