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I've always wondered how people can think it's a choice.
I don't CHOOSE to be attracted to women, and often, it would be helpful not to be attracted to women, but I can't help it.
Why would it be any different for homosexuals?
Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Is it an actual question for anybody else? I feel that saying it is a choice somehow implies that something is fundamentally wrong with homosexual activity. If you were born loving dudes or one day woke up to find you only wanted to sleep with men, I fail to understand how either can justify persecution. Of course this applies to lesbians as well.
Having choice or not homosexuality has no sense...
No one advocated persecuting gays. The idea that not giving gays paper and tax breaks is "persecution" is blatantly retarded. At least have an honest discussion. Liberals are so soft and weak, you would die of starvation if you had to make it on your own. Not granting governmental favors is "persecution." My God
So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?A baker would disagree. He sold the queers goods like everyone else. When they wanted him to cater their wedding. He said his religious beliefs say that gay marriage is wrong so he couldn't do it. Well he is out of business. Even though he sold them stuff in the past. Fuck them.And who is forcing you to be a part of a gay wedding? Last I checked, unless contracts are signed, you can still decline to participate in any wedding you choose.
So the homosexual community as a whole is to blame because other Americans exercised their right not to patronize a company based on the beliefs of the owner? Um no. If I don't like the practices of a private business owner, I have the right not to spend my money there and no one is to blame as that is my right.
He made his personal beliefs public knowledge and now has to face the consequences for doing so just like anyone else.
No one FORCED him to participate in that wedding just like no one is forcing you to participate as you claimed when you initially responded.
Since he chooses to "lose" his business, yeah I'm okay with it.
He is choosing to do business. If he chooses to also not obey the law, he suffers the consequences. He has choices if he must be anti gay.
1) Operate your business where PA laws don't protect gays.
2) Don't bake wedding cakes
PA? I thought he meant the clown in Colorado.
A baker would disagree. He sold the queers goods like everyone else. When they wanted him to cater their wedding. He said his religious beliefs say that gay marriage is wrong so he couldn't do it. Well he is out of business. Even though he sold them stuff in the past. Fuck them.
So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?
So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?A baker would disagree. He sold the queers goods like everyone else. When they wanted him to cater their wedding. He said his religious beliefs say that gay marriage is wrong so he couldn't do it. Well he is out of business. Even though he sold them stuff in the past. Fuck them.
So the homosexual community as a whole is to blame because other Americans exercised their right not to patronize a company based on the beliefs of the owner? Um no. If I don't like the practices of a private business owner, I have the right not to spend my money there and no one is to blame as that is my right.
He made his personal beliefs public knowledge and now has to face the consequences for doing so just like anyone else.
No one FORCED him to participate in that wedding just like no one is forcing you to participate as you claimed when you initially responded.
Since he chooses to "lose" his business, yeah I'm okay with it.
He is choosing to do business. If he chooses to also not obey the law, he suffers the consequences. He has choices if he must be anti gay.
1) Operate your business where PA laws don't protect gays.
2) Don't bake wedding cakes
PA? I thought he meant the clown in Colorado.
In the context of Seawytch's post 'PA laws' means public accommodation laws. Every single gay marriage thread here ends up into to a long winded discussion about public accommodation laws so folks started to abbreviate it to save time. lol
So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?So the homosexual community as a whole is to blame because other Americans exercised their right not to patronize a company based on the beliefs of the owner? Um no. If I don't like the practices of a private business owner, I have the right not to spend my money there and no one is to blame as that is my right.
He made his personal beliefs public knowledge and now has to face the consequences for doing so just like anyone else.
No one FORCED him to participate in that wedding just like no one is forcing you to participate as you claimed when you initially responded.
Since he chooses to "lose" his business, yeah I'm okay with it.
He is choosing to do business. If he chooses to also not obey the law, he suffers the consequences. He has choices if he must be anti gay.
1) Operate your business where PA laws don't protect gays.
2) Don't bake wedding cakes
PA? I thought he meant the clown in Colorado.
In the context of Seawytch's post 'PA laws' means public accommodation laws. Every single gay marriage thread here ends up into to a long winded discussion about public accommodation laws so folks started to abbreviate it to save time. lol
Thank you.
So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?
Since he chooses to "lose" his business, yeah I'm okay with it.
He is choosing to do business. If he chooses to also not obey the law, he suffers the consequences. He has choices if he must be anti gay.
1) Operate your business where PA laws don't protect gays.
2) Don't bake wedding cakes
PA? I thought he meant the clown in Colorado.
In the context of Seawytch's post 'PA laws' means public accommodation laws. Every single gay marriage thread here ends up into to a long winded discussion about public accommodation laws so folks started to abbreviate it to save time. lol
Thank you.
You're welcome. At first I was confused as well. lol. I would think...what the hell does this have to do with the laws of Commonwealth of Pennsylvania?
Since he chooses to "lose" his business, yeah I'm okay with it.
He is choosing to do business. If he chooses to also not obey the law, he suffers the consequences. He has choices if he must be anti gay.
1) Operate your business where PA laws don't protect gays.
2) Don't bake wedding cakes
PA? I thought he meant the clown in Colorado.
In the context of Seawytch's post 'PA laws' means public accommodation laws. Every single gay marriage thread here ends up into to a long winded discussion about public accommodation laws so folks started to abbreviate it to save time. lol
Thank you.
You're welcome. At first I was confused as well. lol. I would think...what the hell does this have to do with the laws of Commonwealth of Pennsylvania?
I just assumed I missed a news story about another bakery. LOL.
I've always wondered how people can think it's a choice.
I don't CHOOSE to be attracted to women, and often, it would be helpful not to be attracted to women, but I can't help it.
Why would it be any different for homosexuals?
Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
The EVIDENCE is history!
If homosexuality was entirely genetics based there would be no human reproduction right????
I mean seriously how would mankind reproduce if we were ALL GENETICALLY predisposed to same sex?
NOW there are those that are genetically predisposed. I've NEVER NEVER said there weren't!
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Genetically all predisposed to Homosexuality is what I meant but of course you didn't read the 3rd sentence!I've always wondered how people can think it's a choice.
I don't CHOOSE to be attracted to women, and often, it would be helpful not to be attracted to women, but I can't help it.
Why would it be any different for homosexuals?
Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
The EVIDENCE is history!
If homosexuality was entirely genetics based there would be no human reproduction right????
I mean seriously how would mankind reproduce if we were ALL GENETICALLY predisposed to same sex?
NOW there are those that are genetically predisposed. I've NEVER NEVER said there weren't!
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Why would it being genetic mean everyone is the same? We don't all have the same color hair
I've always wondered how people can think it's a choice.
I don't CHOOSE to be attracted to women, and often, it would be helpful not to be attracted to women, but I can't help it.
Why would it be any different for homosexuals?
Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
The EVIDENCE is history!
If homosexuality was entirely genetics based there would be no human reproduction right????
I mean seriously how would mankind reproduce if we were ALL GENETICALLY predisposed to same sex?
NOW there are those that are genetically predisposed. I've NEVER NEVER said there weren't!
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Why would it being genetic mean everyone is the same? We don't all have the same color hair
I've always wondered how people can think it's a choice.
I don't CHOOSE to be attracted to women, and often, it would be helpful not to be attracted to women, but I can't help it.
Why would it be any different for homosexuals?
Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
The EVIDENCE is history!
If homosexuality was entirely genetics based there would be no human reproduction right????
I mean seriously how would mankind reproduce if we were ALL GENETICALLY predisposed to same sex?
NOW there are those that are genetically predisposed. I've NEVER NEVER said there weren't!
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Why would it being genetic mean everyone is the same? We don't all have the same color hair
No shit Sherlock but is there anywhere the law treats you differently because of the color of your hair?
Nope, and gays weren't treated differently under the law either. They had exactly the same rights as everyone else. Now they have more, the courts decreed it
I think the reasoning is something like..."It's icky...we must ban it".If it's not a choice then the hatred and fear the homophobes have of gay people becomes just that, fear and hatred. It also makes the Bible dead wrong as then it is no longer a sin, it's people being as God created them. Open the door to religion being bullshit on something that fundamental and all hell breaks loose...
So then you are okay with a white supremacists walks into a black bakers shop and makes him do confederate flag cakes?So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?
ETA: I wrote this with Jack Phillips in mind, forgive me if I'm speaking about a different incident than that which you are referencing.
1) If he sold to them on a regular basis, why the discrimination in the first place?
2) As far as I've seen, he's not losing his business. He's choosing not to make wedding cakes any longer.
Do you not understand that it is illegal for a public entity to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, creed, or sexual orientation? Illegal. That's Colorado state law and if he had a problem operating his business while abiding by the law then he probably shouldn't have opened in the first place.
Either way, he's making a choice to stop doing wedding cakes. A CHOICE. No one is forcing him to stop, he's doing that all on his own.
And, for the record, the Mullins couple was married in Massachusetts, he was not participating in ANY wedding. They wanted a cake for a reception back in Colorado after the fact. He discriminated against two people and now he is complaining about facing those consequences.
So a ban on redheads marrying each other would be constitutional since the could still marry brunettes?Simple. If we ALL were attracted to the same sex most likely we all wouldn't be here.
A very very few people are "genetically" disposed to same sex.
The vast vast majority of homosexuals are learned behavior.
Well thank you for your opinion- which is not anything similar to a fact.
The fact is that we don't know why persons are sexually oriented to the same gender- epigenetics seems to be the most likely answer right now- but its just a promising theory.
I have not seen any evidence at all that homosexuality is a 'learned behavior'
And back to the original question- why does it matter?
Just treat people like people.
The EVIDENCE is history!
If homosexuality was entirely genetics based there would be no human reproduction right????
I mean seriously how would mankind reproduce if we were ALL GENETICALLY predisposed to same sex?
NOW there are those that are genetically predisposed. I've NEVER NEVER said there weren't!
I'm saying that the gay population has increased simply because it is not considered rape to get a blow job from another guy! Simple as that!
Lot easier.
Why would it being genetic mean everyone is the same? We don't all have the same color hair
No shit Sherlock but is there anywhere the law treats you differently because of the color of your hair?
Nope, and gays weren't treated differently under the law either. They had exactly the same rights as everyone else. Now they have more, the courts decreed it
So then you are okay with a white supremacists walks into a black bakers shop and makes him do confederate flag cakes?So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?
ETA: I wrote this with Jack Phillips in mind, forgive me if I'm speaking about a different incident than that which you are referencing.
1) If he sold to them on a regular basis, why the discrimination in the first place?
2) As far as I've seen, he's not losing his business. He's choosing not to make wedding cakes any longer.
Do you not understand that it is illegal for a public entity to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, creed, or sexual orientation? Illegal. That's Colorado state law and if he had a problem operating his business while abiding by the law then he probably shouldn't have opened in the first place.
Either way, he's making a choice to stop doing wedding cakes. A CHOICE. No one is forcing him to stop, he's doing that all on his own.
And, for the record, the Mullins couple was married in Massachusetts, he was not participating in ANY wedding. They wanted a cake for a reception back in Colorado after the fact. He discriminated against two people and now he is complaining about facing those consequences.
So then you are okay with a white supremacists walks into a black bakers shop and makes him do confederate flag cakes?So you are okay with him losing his business? Even though he sold them every day items and thought of them as friends?
ETA: I wrote this with Jack Phillips in mind, forgive me if I'm speaking about a different incident than that which you are referencing.
1) If he sold to them on a regular basis, why the discrimination in the first place?
2) As far as I've seen, he's not losing his business. He's choosing not to make wedding cakes any longer.
Do you not understand that it is illegal for a public entity to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, creed, or sexual orientation? Illegal. That's Colorado state law and if he had a problem operating his business while abiding by the law then he probably shouldn't have opened in the first place.
Either way, he's making a choice to stop doing wedding cakes. A CHOICE. No one is forcing him to stop, he's doing that all on his own.
And, for the record, the Mullins couple was married in Massachusetts, he was not participating in ANY wedding. They wanted a cake for a reception back in Colorado after the fact. He discriminated against two people and now he is complaining about facing those consequences.
