Why do we have health insurace when it is socialized medicine

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    let us look at health insurance realistically. It is a bunch of people paying into a system and they get their medical care taken care of by it. When people talk about buying something you have to pay for it out of pocket. So just having health insurance is an attempt to socialize medicine.

    This would not be bad if it wasn't for the fact it is a terrible way to socialize medicine. First your taxes, aka insurance premium, are pilefered by stock holders and corporate executives because that is how a business works. They then tell you who you can go see, and have their accountants evaluate your medical care, which is a death panel by the description given. You argue and fuight with them, but in the end you have another health insurance company just down the road whop will do the same exact thing to you.

    How is health insurance not socialized medicine? The only way I see it being that is that stockhoplders and CEOs get to decide what to do with your payments and not elected officials.
     
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    You really think it's going to be Elected Officials deciding what to do? You must not know how the US government works. The Decisions will be in the Hands of UN-elected Life long Bureaucrats.

    Besides you have your facts all wrong as far as how Insurance Companies work. They Operate on one of the Smallest Profit Margins out there. Plus being Profit Motivated they Actually have a Motivation to Negotiate with the Care Givers and try and keep prices lower. When it's the Government paying all you have is those Bureaucrats who have little Motivation beyond making sure they keep getting their Pay checks.

    Good luck with that.

    We have not had a Free market in Health Care in a very long time, and that in part has led to out of Line high Cost of Care.

    Cost of care, and Quantity of Doctors are the Biggest problems, and Obama Care does almost nothing to address either issue.

    Finally, and this one you can set your Watch by. All you have to do is look at the Initial Price tag given, Compared to the Actual Cost of MC, or SS, or Bushes Part B among other Programs to know it's true. Is the Fact that This Bill is going to cost exponentially more than they calculated. As Politicians always do, they used almost fairytale like Favorable Assumptions when Calculating all the Factors that add up to the cost of this bill.
     
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    I stopped reading there.

    As undeniably ignorant as that line is, I simply knew it would be a waste of memory cells to read the rest.
     
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    Why buy health insurance at all?

    Why pay someone to lobby Congress to deny you coverage?
     
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    I've seen this argument before. It takes a special kind of stupid not to understand the difference between a voluntary arrangement and a government program that we are compelled to pay for at gunpoint.
     
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    so I can get medical care and not have to pass the cost onto others.

    and no one does the second.

    We call it; stop government from fixing healthcare real gud, since we won't be able to handle the repercussions.
     
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    Hey...I'm somewhat in agreement with the Cons on this....Insurance companies do have a low profit margin. The immediate goal of the AHCA was to get people covered to stop the bleeding...the longer term goal is to reign in costs....I do feel somewhat betrayed tva Obama and the Dems bowed down to big Pharma and Med/tech. But I'm hopeful that once everything is in place, then negotiations will take place...and by negotiations, I mean....you either sell your stuff at global market rates....or we buy elsewhere. Free market solution, no?
     
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    if states allowed all hc ins inside thier borders, the costs would go down.

    TX does and they have the lowest rates.
     
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    Bullshit!!!!!!

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    Try, again, Chuckie!!

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    .....Maybe, because, you've got both thumbs up-your-ass?????​


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