Why do so many of you buy into the left/right paradigm?

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  1. Liberty
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    Do you find it fun? Ya know, being on one team while tattering whoever is on the other team? Surely you do not think that there is any tangible difference between the American let and the American right...why instead not just look for issues and details you agree with personally rather than look for your opinions spoon fed to you? Help me understand this.
     
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    Well the reason I think people buy into it, is there are only 2 options, and the repubs represent the consertives, and the left represent the progressives. other than that there really is no other choice.
     
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    Yet on every ballot for every major election (Senatorial, Governor, President) there is almost always more than two choices. If people wished to seat the best person for the job, why then choose to neglect even a basic research into the platform of those without R and D by their name? I look at politics through a prism of government power, and I see republicans and democrats both equally ignoring major problems, growing government power where they *think* is warranted (neocons into war, democrats into welfare) while inflaming smoke screen problems...social issues, though important, are no where near as important as say, monetary policy. I do not understand how so many people can not see through it.
     
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    For the answer you are looking for, I recommend you research and read some anarchist literature, specifically some Noam Chomsky. Here is a great article by, Robert W McChesney
    Noam Chomsky and the Struggle Against Neoliberalism :: Robert W McChesney
    Google it.
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    *market analysis indices
     
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    There are plenty of differences. There are some similiarities too.
     
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    You are repeating a tired, fallacious meme. There are significant differences between the Right and Left. Just start an abortion topic and learn for yourself.

    With that said, I have been a barrel-chested Republican for most of my life. It is only in recent years I have walked away from voting GOP because my party has been hijacked by a crop of incompetents, supported by millions of UnConservative mindless drones drinking billions of gallons of bongwater and piss. If the emitter of information has a (R) after his or hier name, the hive mind minions swallow it, then parrot it incessently without ever critically analyzing it.

    Some of them have gone so far to the right, everyone else looks like a leftie to them. No wonder Glenn Beck was able to convince them Nazis were lefties so easily. If Nazis are to the left of you, you are REALLY far gone!

    So I am now...independent. A paleo-conservative without a party. Used to be, a conservative was the smartest person in the room. Now, an UnConservative is likely to be mentally challenged. They are an embarrassment. I wish Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Bachmann, and Sarah Palin, along with the other lesser Manchurian candidates sent to destroy the Right would all climb aboard a plane and crash into the side of a mountain.

    Bigotry on the Right is making a big comeback these days, too. That's...charming.


    The Left has always disgusted me, and always will. With their knees calloused from smoking miles of federal dick, they have led entire generations of Americans into the bondage of co-dependence.

    So what does that leave?

    Oh, yes. Your vaunted third parties. Yeah, I just escaped from a party overrun with crazy people and you want me to join up with the Patient Zeroes of insanity?

    I don't think so!

    Nope. I will just wait right here, thank you very much. The silver lining in the dark cloud of madness over our country right now is that while it is very intensive, it is incapable of sustaining itself for long. A candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long, and all that.

    I don't know if one or the other or both parties will self-destruct. I don't know if a newer, saner, more moderate major party will rise from the ashes. I don't know if the GOP will wake up with a giant hangover and a sheepish look on its face. But sooner or later, I will find a home again.



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    The place where the left and right meet is in thinking Libertarians have jumped the shark...just for different reasons.
     
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    I think the difference he is talking about, for all intents and purposed, don't really make a difference in the historic direction that the nation takes, in terms of civil rights and civil liberties, economic policy, or foreign policy. The ruling elites don't really give a squat about divisive social policy issues. In the end, 1st and 2nd Amendment rights which all Americans agree on will have to be eliminated through an end run around the constitution via the UN.

    I don't listen to Glean Beck. Has he claimed that the Nazi's were "lefties" or just that they were socialists? If he has claimed that they are socialists, then indeed, he was correct. But then, if he is trying to get his supporters to vote for the Republican party, that would be disingenuous, wouldn't it? Because Republicans are corporatists, and that is just a soft peddled way and easily digestible way of saying fascist in this county. It doesn't matter whether the nation is socialized by the state or by corporations, it still becomes socialized.
    usmessageboard.com/politics/247384-anybody-but-romney-3.html#post5999692

    Not many would argue that Obama care is socialism, correct? Yet is it European style socialism? No, not really. Why did it get so much democratic (small "d") support? Why do so many corporations support it? Why does our so called free market support it? Because it is fascist in nature. It is national socialism. Who is doing the socializing? The corporations. The Republican and Democratic party donors. To be sure, the Democratic party isn't much different. They just have a more international socialist appeal to them. They are much more in favor of having the government do more things than the corporations. But socialism is still socialism, no matter how you slice it. You are taking the responsibility away from the free market and letting either corporations dictate your choices, or the state dictate your choices. It is apparent you didn't Google search that article I recommended by Noam Chomsky.

    I understand what you are saying. Much of your complaints have been echoed before by both William F. Buckley and Pat Buchanan. You must understand the Hegelian Dialectic and how social engineering works. It isn't the political parties that control the destiny of nations, it is the political elites. Well, actually, just elites in general. There are cultural, scientific, and economic elites. But it is the "non-profit" foundations that engage in "social-engineering" that attempt to shape the fabric of our society. Did you go to a government school? Did you go to a school that had to abide by government dictates about what you must be taught? How did those parameters come about? These idea shapes our thoughts, our ideas, and consequently our attitudes about policy.

    Something to think about. . .

    “Only a fool would let his enemy teach his children.” ~ MALCOLM X

    "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."
    ~Vladimir Lenin

    Who's teaching your kids, the state, the church, the television, pop music, video games, or you?
     
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    They both need to shut off the TV, the radio and pick up a book. If they spent even a quarter as much time reading they would know the Democrats sold out the country's future with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, and the Republicans shirked their responsibility when they dismissed the Reece Committee.

    "Jumped the shark" Need I say more Fonzie? :lol:
     
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    I hear ya,you should try living in new york state make it that much harder.

    But the sad fact we have 2 realistic people to choose from,and we should vote regardless if you have only ashole A or asshole B as a choice.
     

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