Why do Americans not like France today?

[Comrade]

France leave the NATO military division, because we didn't want to become a vassal of USA.
France wanted to have only FRENCH soldiers on her soil. not from US, or any other nation.
Not US bases. (what will say USA if several
french bases would be in teir soil ? )

That's a ridiculous assumption. Being a member of NATO had nothing to do with being required to station US troops on French soil, or any other NATO member for that matter. The key provision was that "an attack against one would be considered an attack against all". Stop making excuses.

For the Vichy affair, you are uncredibly strupid ! what are you - users - always atlking about Vichy ? did I spaek more than 2 times of Pinochet ? Are you proud of it ?

Am I pround of our countries role in defeating communism worldwide? Absolutely.

If you want, I will talk of it ! and Ali could spaek of UAS's weapons trade. what are you thinking about ?

Frances lack of role as an ally to the US since it became a Vichy state is one factor. France's weapons trade with states America considered hostile and in violation of UN regulations is another factor to consider as well.

for the France help to US : in Iraq, we refused. Kosovo : french army was the 2nd. Rwanda, Somalia, Haiti, Ivory Coast, in all the crisis zones.
IN Kosovo, US did bombardments, but is there still US troops in Kosovo ?

Sure there are.

Remember I said:

"Clinton got far less than Bush Sr. did out of France, barely nothing at all to help the US in Somalia, Yugoslavia, etc."

I described how France is going from, Wow, a whole division in the Gulf war, to barely nothing at all over the Clinton years and of course zero under Bush today.

The French trend of troop committment to US ventures is going down consistently. See that was my point.

For the communist importance, you know why ? During the WWII, the french reistance had lots of communists memeber, who fought really courageously against German. So, they had a good repuation. The communist party was important into the French Resistance.
After the war, the resistant party were also politic party. So, th communist got lots of voices....

Explaining why the the French were never solid allies since Vichy. Thank you.

France was not particularly more thah other for Stalin and his goulags.
Think before you speak.

Yeah yeah.

 

[NightTrain]

France leave the NATO military division, because we didn't want to become a vassal of USA.
France wanted to have only FRENCH soldiers on her soil. not from US, or any other nation.

Nevermind that there are still thousands of American and British soldiers buried 6 feet under your soil.

That reminds me, have you French desecrated any more WWII graves and memorials honoring allied soldiers that liberated your country for you?

Not US bases. (what will say USA if several french bases would be in teir soil ? )

Yeah. That would happen. And monkeys might fly out of my butt.

For the Vichy affair, you are uncredibly strupid ! what are you - users - always atlking about Vichy ? did I spaek more than 2 times of Pinochet ? Are you proud of it ? If you want, I will talk of it ! and Ali could spaek of UAS's weapons trade. what are you thinking about ?

Vichy spells out for the rest of the world what you French are all about. You surrendered and immediately began accepting your new masters while enthusiastically shipping off fellow citizens to death camps who were Jewish. Sure, there were a few resistance fighters that assisted downed U.S. pilots, Chuck Yeager was among them (he's the guy that broke the Sound Barrier), but there were far more that gladly turned over Allied airmen to the Nazis. So, there were a few good apples in the bunch.You as a people are inept in the art of war and yet somehow demand a role in world events that require military interventions. What sense does this make?

After your shameless behavior during the Iraq crisis in the UN, I very seriously doubt that you'll be allowed to either block needed military action or be privy to confidential information regarding the nation in question.

You sold us down the river with your pal Saddam, and rest assured that every other Nation on the planet sat up and took notice when confidential USA-to-France communications were found in Baghdad.

Ali is incapable of an honest debate, but is indeed talented at copying other people's posts who also use bogus references.

for the France help to US : in Iraq, we refused.

Actually, you screwed us. We do not forget betrayal.

Kosovo : french army was the 2nd. Rwanda, Somalia, Haiti, Ivory Coast, in all the crisis zones.

What role, exactly, did the French play in these engagements? I'm curious with your take.

IN Kosovo, US did bombardments, but is there still US troops in Kosovo ?

Yes. Are there still French troops in Kosovo? And what role was played by French troops?

For the communist importance, you know why ? During the WWII, the french reistance had lots of communists memeber, who fought really courageously against German. So, they had a good repuation. The communist party was important into the French Resistance. Afetr the war, the resistant party were also politic party. So, th communist got lots of voices....

The French Commies : Trying Harder Every Day To Suck Less.

 

[padisha emperor]

You're so stupid....

All posted by NighTrain

Yes. Are there still French troops in Kosovo? And what role was played by French troops?

oh yes my dear.
The french even tale the control of the multinational force several times.

Lots of soldiers. so, shut up.

What role, exactly, did the French play in these engagements? I'm curious with your take.

In Ivory Coast : fight the rebels WHEN they attacked the French.
Sopt the guerrila
Haiti : same than the US (about it : the french soldiers walked in the streets wihtout helmets and bullet-proof coats, the S had all their equipment. THe Haitians were more hostile against USA. It showed what : France did'nt provocation, showed they trust the people : the population look that and was not hostile at all against french...........)
France know how to well do a peace Operation. not US troop

Nevermind that there are still thousands of American and British soldiers buried 6 feet under your soil.

That reminds me, have you French desecrated any more WWII graves and memorials honoring allied soldiers that liberated your country for you?

You're dumb...
A little group of assholes desecrated some US graves. Not the whole population....

What about the french soldiers in America ? so shut up.

I'm sure that there is more memorial things for the US troops in Fance for WWII than memorial things for French troops for WAr of Independance.
so shut up.
oh..and did USA great ceklebration for the sale of Louisiana of 1803 ? You know, when a 1/3 of the actual US territory became American.....

Vichy spells out for the rest of the world what you French are all about. You surrendered and immediately began accepting your new masters while enthusiastically shipping off fellow citizens to death camps who were Jewish. Sure, there were a few resistance fighters that assisted downed U.S. pilots, Chuck Yeager was among them (he's the guy that broke the Sound Barrier), but there were far more that gladly turned over Allied airmen to the Nazis. So, there were a few good apples in the bunch.You as a people are inept in the art of war and yet somehow demand a role in world events that require military interventions. What sense does this make?

Do you believe that the WHOLE population was behind the NAzis ? like in other countries...
a few minority was for Nazis, some resists actively.
THe big big majority was affraid, but not for the Nazis. Like in Belgium, Netherlands......

You don't know what the Occupationwas...25,000 dead, killed by german shooting squads.
For the resistants : 20,000 deads, only for the communists. (by german shooting squads)
20,000 killed fromthe FFI's troops (the french interior army)
26,000 deads in deportation for complicity of Resistance.

from the June 21 to the 25, moer than 10,000 SS - not Wehmacht, SS - attacked the Vercors, mountains with lots of french resistants...10,000 germans...a lot against some, french badly weaponed, isn't it ?

the french fleet prefered scuttle itself instead of beeing catched by the German (11/27/42)

And the french soldiers of the FFL did a great great job at Bir Hakeim (against the Rommel's army), great job in Italy (Monte Cassino, Sienna, Rome....), in Provence, all the half south of France, in Alsace, Germany......

the french population suffered a lot of the war....more than 250,000 deads....

So, have more respect when you speak, boy.
We are ashamed of the collaboration. of Pétain and Laval in this war.
But only a minority was for Nazis....

After your shameless behavior during the Iraq crisis in the UN

and what about your shameless behavior against the civilans ? in Abu Graib's jail ?
Funny...you don't spaek often of that...




this one was post by Comrade

the French were never solid allies since Vichy

only for Iraq : kosovo : we were and are still here. (bigger army, now, because you are far from here, in Iraq....)
Haiti, with US.
Gulf War.

Korea...even the general Ridgeway gave some Sivler Star to french officers because thye fought really courageously, with honour and strength....

You : For Suez 1956, you betray UK, France and Israel. If you say "it was for the world peace", I'll exactly answer to you the same thing for Iraq....)

 

[Comrade]

You're so stupid....

All posted by NighTrain


oh yes my dear.
The french even tale the control of the multinational force several times.

Lots of soldiers. so, shut up.

10, 100, 1,000, 10,000? What is lots? Can you link?
:firing:

In Ivory Coast : fight the rebels WHEN they attacked the French.
Sopt the guerrila
Haiti : same than the US (about it : the french soldiers walked in the streets wihtout helmets and bullet-proof coats, the S had all their equipment. THe Haitians were more hostile against USA. It showed what : France did'nt provocation, showed they trust the people : the population look that and was not hostile at all against french...........)
France know how to well do a peace Operation. not US troop

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/etc/slaughter.html

With still no sign of U.N. deployment, the Security Council authorizes the deployment of French forces in south-west Rwanda--"Operation Turquoise." They create a "safe area" in territory controlled by the government. However, killings of Tutsis continue in the safe area.

(Insert French excuse here)

The Tutsi RPF forces capture Kigali. The Hutu government flees to Zaire, followed by a tide of refugees. The French end their mission and are replaced by Ethiopian U.N. troops. The RPF sets up an interim government of national unity in Kigali.

Mission accomplished?

A French parliamentary commission completes a nine-month inquiry into France's military involvement in Rwanda before and during the genocide. The commission concludes that most of the blame lies with the international community, particularly the United Nations and the United States. Although France is noted as making "errors of judgment," the government is absolved of responsibility for the killings.

The US is a popular choice for excusing French failures.

You're dumb...

Yer nescient... :funnyface

What about the french soldiers in America ? so shut up.

Any French who died for America? Maybe off the Eastern seaboard at the bottom of the ocean. Here and there some advisors. With WWI and WWII we'll say the French still owe us 300,000, give or take. Not to mention the debt to UK.

I'm sure that there is more memorial things for the US troops in Fance for WWII than memorial things for French troops for WAr of Independance.
so shut up.

Probably because people are still alive in the US to remember Normady and their sacrifice. What have the French done for us lately?

oh..and did USA great ceklebration for the sale of Louisiana of 1803 ? You know, when a 1/3 of the actual US territory became Ameri

Thank your broke ass emporer Napoleon for selling that off. Not like we wouldn't have taken it eventually.

Do you believe that the WHOLE population was behind the NAzis ? like in other countries...
A few minority was for Nazis, some resists actively.
THe big big majority was affraid, but not for the Nazis. Like in Belgium, Netherlands......

You don't seem to admit to the story behind the French in WWII. Marshall Petain was the top official under your democractically representative government during the final defence of Paris. He was considered by the vast majority of France as a savior, in fact.

Marshall Petain and the French government chose an armistace agreement when thier continued resistance would have vastly benefited the UK in their most vulnerable time for the next year.


In the same stroke of the pen, France also locked out the Allies from every other French colony around the world. The UK lifeline was abandoned by French capital vessels now langushing in ports within rapid Nazi grasp, upon voiding the Vichy regime as we know they came to do.

You don't know what the Occupationwas...25,000 dead, killed by german shooting squads.
For the resistants : 20,000 deads, only for the communists. (by german shooting squads)
20,000 killed fromthe FFI's troops (the french interior army)
26,000 deads in deportation for complicity of Resistance.

Add then all up and they don't exceed the total Jews Vichy France forcibly collected among their own duly represented French government and which were shipped off to German concentration camps (and murdered).

And all that effort by French police without even being prompted by Germany. YOUR orginal government from pre-war France ruled Vichy and were happy to do it. The French were mute on the entire subject.

Shame.

from the June 21 to the 25, moer than 10,000 SS - not Wehmacht, SS - attacked the Vercors, mountains with lots of french resistants...10,000 germans...a lot against some, french badly weaponed, isn't it ?

10,000 was all the UK had when the French turned to Vichy. What weapons, logistics, or transport they had was always courtesey of UK or US material.

the french fleet prefered scuttle itself instead of beeing catched by the German (11/27/42)

Absolutely not!

The order to the entire French Fleet upon vichification was to sail immediately to the nearest French Vichy port.

This order came to French vessels moored in British ports, and the French commanders had the choise to sail home, scuttle, or join the UK fleet. Without exception every French capital ship sailed home to ally with Vichy France, and into potential Nazi grasp.

The UK allowed the French fleet safe passage out of their own ports as a rare honor in WWII, but pragmatic as always, the UK launched a devestating air strike on the French Med fleet in port soon after, and while a host of French sailors died for no good reason at all, only the individual captains who all sold out for sake of their careers and not for their principles, are to blame.

And the french soldiers of the FFL did a great great job at Bir Hakeim (against the Rommel's army), great job in Italy (Monte Cassino, Sienna, Rome....), in Provence, all the half south of France, in Alsace, Germany......

All of 10,000 of Free French were at hand during time after French Vichificaton and while the UK stood alone in Fall 1940 to Winter 1941.

Only when the Nazi victory was clearly in doubt and certainly after the allies fought and liberated Vichy French controlled colonies did the number of Free French reach 100,000 by late 1943.

And because of French pefidy, these troops remained dependent on the US or UK to outfit, train, transport, and supply them.

The Free French sent ahead of Patton to liberate Paris rode in on borrowed Sherman tanks.

The french population suffered a lot of the war....more than 250,000 deads....

The irony being the whole point of Vichification was to end their suffering in expectation of complete Nazi victory. While the French manufactured material for the Nazi's their industrial plants were indeed bombed mercilessly. They gambled on a Nazi victory and lost the bet.

So, have more respect when you speak, boy.
We are ashamed of the collaboration. of Pétain and Laval in this war.
But only a minority was for Nazis....

But the elected French government couldn't stand the thought of destruction of Paris, declaring it an 'open city'. And everyone followed Petain into the armistace without much objection among paliament or the French people, even while Britain struggled to evacuate its forces whlie the French demobilized gratefully.

And thus began French pattern of selling out their Allies at the point when we seem vulnerable and are expected to lose.

and what about your shameless behavior against the civilans ? in Abu Graib's jail ?

How about Court Martials with jail time.

Funny...you don't spaek often of that...

No, we don't. I'd like to move on to how we need justice for those who behead civilians in cold blood.

this one was post by Comrade

only for Iraq : kosovo : we were and are still here. (bigger army, now, because you are far from here, in Iraq....)
Haiti, with US.
Gulf War.

How many in Kosovo? In Haiti?

In the Gulf War, the French light motorized division was the most France has ever contributed to any world conflict alongside the US in the last 50 years. One whole division.

Korea...even the general Ridgeway gave some Sivler Star to french officers because thye fought really courageously, with honour and strength....

And what does France do after that? Drop out of NATO.

You : For Suez 1956, you betray UK, France and Israel. If you say "it was for the world peace", I'll exactly answer to you the same thing for Iraq....)

Something scared the French soon after that. Was it was Sputnik?

Over the next few years France went from Isreals primary benefactor to sleezing around with soviet aligned Arabs, and by the Six Day war it was the US who stepped up for Isreal.

The stated premise of NATO was that any member would considered an attack on another as an attack on themselves.

So why would French leave NATO?

Given the French position behind the battlefield in Germany, which provided enough time for France to see which way the wind is blowing before a committment, they couldn't help themselves.

As before, the French demonstrated their capacity for self-serving morals with little regard for the fate of Europe, so long as they stood the best chance of coming out ahead by aligning with the eventual victor.

And that was still back in the Cold War when France at least tried to present a unified front. Nowadays they don't even try.

 

[padisha emperor]

you miss the point :
Petain and his governemnt had collaborate.
The french population was not for germans, not at all - except some "collabos", like in all the occupied countries.
But they trusted in the "Maréchal", why ? this man saved France - and so, all the allied nations of WWI - in Verdun (more than 600,000 deads).
Hero of WWI.
They did a mistake, sure.
(but like in Germany, the population didn't know the Holocaust.)

A governement's position is not automaticly the population's position : French were not for Nazis.
Best example for you ? : Balir was for Bush, Blair has troop sin Iraq. But 71% of the british population want that the troops come back quick. They don't want of Bush......


About the number of frenhc soldiers in the FFL : it is normal that they were more after 1944 : rance was free : it was easier to go into FFL (before : travel through Pyrennees, avoiding german partols, arriving in Spain, be discret, take a boat to London, or to the french colonies.)

ABout Paris : Hitler wanted to destroy Paris, make it like a field of ashes.Von Choltitz, governor of the Gross Paris, had these orders. He putted severals thousands of Kilos in le Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, the Arc de Triomphe.
It was why the French wanted to be quick quick quick in Paris, the Resistance ad give this information to patton, who gave it to Leclerc.

The Hitler's wish was to DESTROY Paris.
fortunatly, von Choltitz did it not.


Abut the french fleet : if you're able to read, you will see a date near the sentence : 11/27/42 : November, the 27th of 1942.
The Germans enter bin Toulon. THey want to catch the french fleet in Toulon.
THe Allies were affraid, because if the german would caught it....bad .
and ther frenc fleet never like England. Since the XVIIIth C. Since Trafalgar..
and above all since Mers-el-Kebir : Sommerville and the british fleet shoot on the french fleet.
But....Even if they don't like english, they hate Germans : they prefer scuttl themselves the ships instead of seeing them caught by the Germans.
At 5:29 AM, the order is said by the commandant of the STRASBOURG.
result : more expensive than trafalgar : 2 battleships, 1 battle cruiser, 7 cruisers, 1 transport of aviation, 29 destroyers, 12 submarines.........more than 100 ships and submarines were scuttled. 230,000 tonnes.
Only to not be catch by Germans.
US newspapers titled "Gloire à Toulon".
the Times, 11/30 :
"Even those who thought that the french fleet would be best use in fighting with Allies for the Reconquest can not refuse to pay a deep hommage for the way that these men hold their one's word they gave."
(translation from french)

I was speaking of that.

 

[NightTrain]

Thanks, Comrade. Outstanding post, I admire your knowledge of history.

The Hitler's wish was to DESTROY Paris.
fortunatly, von Choltitz did it not.

Hitler owned Paris, and if he had wanted to burn it to the ground completely, he could have. No, I've read extensively about WWII, and to Hitler, Paris was a badge of honor to acquire. Paris was completely owned by Hitler and you can't dispute this fact.

A governement's position is not automaticly the population's position : French were not for Nazis.
Best example for you ? : Balir was for Bush, Blair has troop sin Iraq. But 71% of the british population want that the troops come back quick. They don't want of Bush......

You didn't fight. You didn't fight! Your military surrendered and your civilians surrendered. You as a nation surrendered. For God's sake, if you have nothing to lose, fight to the death!

I really couldn't care less about your French polls. I make up my own mind about what is right and what is wrong, and to hell with the 'polls' that so many people are consumed with. Blair did the right thing and he is admired widely for it. Chirac continued in the typical cowardly French tradition -- and even went the extra mile by stabbing the USA in the back.

But....Even if they don't like english, they hate Germans : they prefer scuttl themselves the ships instead of seeing them caught by the Germans.

Here's a thought... Why don't you take those modern warships that are full of fuel and ammunition and FIGHT WITH THEM LIKE THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO AND YOU WERE TRAINED TO DO! Give them to the enemy? Scuttle them? What the hell is wrong with this picture?

I think you know where I'm going with this.

You're dumb...

Thanks.

A little group of assholes desecrated some US graves. Not the whole population....

Actually, Speedy, it was a British Memorial that French citizens desecrated. They spray painted 'Roast Beef Go Home' on the memorial honoring the fallen British soldiers that gave their lives liberating your country for you. Amongst other endearing things. Real nice.

What about the french soldiers in America ? so shut up.

What about them? Are there any here? I understand there were some advisors and the French Navy fought the British Navy (since they were at war anyway), but I am unaware of any major battles that French soldiers engaged the British on, on American soil.

Please enlighten me.

I'm sure that there is more memorial things for the US troops in Fance for WWII than memorial things for French troops for WAr of Independance.
so shut up.

Undoubtedly. Because we actually fought and won your battles for you, unlike what you allude to.

You didn't fight and win America's independence, my young padawan. France fought because it was at war with England anyway. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you actually engaged England because we needed help. You gained a weak ally at the time, and it was very beneficial to you - you actually didn't lose that war.

I notice that you didn't answer quite a few points... why is this?

 

[Comrade]

I second NightTrain.

 

[the_red]

:rotflmao: well france is a bunch of pussys thats why

 

[padisha emperor]

You didn't fight. You didn't fight! Your military surrendered and your civilians surrendered. You as a nation surrendered. For God's sake, if you have nothing to lose, fight to the death!

So, now, shut up boy...
the french army lost quickly, but fought against Germans !
Sedan, and lots of others battles....de Gaulle, who won against Germans because he was unsing their tactics.

I read a book about the WWII, and for the 1940's invasion, th auathor say : "a great defeat make forgotten braves fights."
What about Dunkirk, boy ? dare to say that here, French didn't fight !

You hate France, so for you we are bastards. And we lost all the wars. Read the thread "frenhc military victories"....you'll see, my dear....
Anyway, you'er a close-minded dumb, i could show you the evidence, you would always deny...

 

[Comrade]

So, now, shut up boy...
the french army lost quickly, but fought against Germans !
Sedan, and lots of others battles....

The French gave up quickly.

de Gaulle, who won against Germans because he was unsing their tactics.

Oh sure, he 'won' Paris using the US built tanks, US supplied logistics, and folliwng US command after Patton had to pull back and let him 'spearhead the liberation' of Gay Paree!

I read a book about the WWII, and for the 1940's invasion, th auathor say : "a great defeat make forgotten braves fights."
What about Dunkirk, boy ? dare to say that here, French didn't fight !

Difference being the UK didn't surrender after the disaster (and miracle) of Dunkirk.

You hate France, so for you we are bastards. And we lost all the wars. Read the thread "frenhc military victories"....you'll see, my dear....
Anyway, you'er a close-minded dumb, i could show you the evidence, you would always deny...

LOL, here's what I want you to do, step by step.

1. Open a new google search.

2. Type in "French military victories"

3. Click the "I'm feeling lucky" button.


There you go.

 

[padisha emperor]

Comrade :

.......
First, the french didn't gave up, or not all : the resistence. U know for you it is nothing, but....a reazlly really dangerous mission. They helped Allies. Even UK did a poster for the Rench Resistence "french resistence helps throttle the Boche"

I was speaking of de Gaulle in 1940, not in 44/45....when he was colonel of tank regiment.

For UK after Dunkirk : first, UK is an island : it is harder for the invaders. Second, the "miracle" of Dinkirk, was possible because the French soldiers did the sacrifice of themselves to protect the evacuation, during several days.



Anyway.
You live on google ?
You should know hat google is not always the truth.....tape "Bush stupid" or something like that.... you 'll see.....

I don't care about a website who say filthy things about France, because the HIstory is on my side : you can deny, the history of the french victories couldn't be denied. Instead of living on Google, try to open a history book, buffon ! You will learn some things........

 

[dilloduck]

Comrade :

.......
First, the french didn't gave up, or not all : the resistence. U know for you it is nothing, but....a reazlly really dangerous mission. They helped Allies. Even UK did a poster for the Rench Resistence "french resistence helps throttle the Boche"

I was speaking of de Gaulle in 1940, not in 44/45....when he was colonel of tank regiment.

For UK after Dunkirk : first, UK is an island : it is harder for the invaders. Second, the "miracle" of Dinkirk, was possible because the French soldiers did the sacrifice of themselves to protect the evacuation, during several days.



Anyway.
You live on google ?
You should know hat google is not always the truth.....tape "Bush stupid" or something like that.... you 'll see.....

I don't care about a website who say filthy things about France, because the HIstory is on my side : you can deny, the history of the french victories couldn't be denied. Instead of living on Google, try to open a history book, buffon ! You will learn some things........

What is France doing today that you're proud of?

 

[padisha emperor]

Dillo......you means that now you want that we should speak of the present, not of the past.

So, If you think it, say it to the other who anways speak of Vichy, of WWII...Amazing, they never speak of WWI, of Napoleon, of the XVII - XVIIIth Centuries, of the middle age.....

 

[dilloduck]

Dillo......you means that now you want that we should speak of the present, not of the past.

So, If you think it, say it to the other who anways speak of Vichy, of WWII...Amazing, they never speak of WWI, of Napoleon, of the XVII - XVIIIth Centuries, of the middle age.....

Dish---I started this thread and have NEVER referred to past French failures or successes. Can you get it through you head that you need to see my posts as separate from others? Answer my question!!!

 

[padisha emperor]

I did what you want : I asked you to say it to the others. I never spoke of Vichy. but users spoke of it, so I answer. I only say to you that you should tell the others too. no accusation for you. read my message you'll see.

But i find unfair the fact that you told the person who answers against the others' attacks, and not the others.

 

[dilloduck]

I did what you want : I asked you to say it to the others. I never spoke of Vichy. but users spoke of it, so I answer. I only say to you that you should tell the others too. no accusation for you. read my message you'll see.

But i find unfair the fact that you told the person who answers against the others' attacks, and not the others.

take resposibility for yourself and talk to them---I am talking to you and you still need to answer me !

 

[padisha emperor]

bad faith, hypocrisy : your way you use for the others is not the way you use for me....


I 'm proud of France for her opposition for Iraq war, illegal war.
And proud for several and several other things.

Are you happy now ?

 

[Comrade]

Comrade :

.......
First, the french didn't gave up, or not all : the resistence. U know for you it is nothing, but....a reazlly really dangerous mission. They helped Allies. Even UK did a poster for the Rench Resistence "french resistence helps throttle the Boche"

The Yugoslavian resistance put France to shame. Vichy France also put occupied France to shame for being a Nazi puppet all on their own, and with the French peoples approval.

The Warsaw uprising was a true example of resistance, and the Jewish quarter before that citywide fight was the kind of fight against hopeless odds that was only last seen in the Roman era at Masada.

The French resistence was more about sneaking out at night for meetings and the occasional train derailing. Very few French were caught and excuted as far more Eastern European, USSR, and Baltic resistors were.

Partisans fighting in Russia were formed into new armies right as the main Soviet army swept back to liberate them.

Now my question is since Frace built from its own volunteers almost 4 waffen SS divisions before being liberated by those they fought against, did we actually get any kind of similar numbers from the French like that? When it came time to pony up to the Allies to help finish the war what did the French really provide? More than 4 divisions?

For UK after Dunkirk : first, UK is an island : it is harder for the invaders.

And it was essential in UK planning, to keep open the last resort in losing an invasion and arrange to retreat all that can be taken back to Canada and fight on from there.

France refused to do the same among its many choices of nearby colonies, choosing instead to shut out the allies from the people and resources from each that would have helped tremendously to end the war faster, and with fewer Allied dead.

Second, the "miracle" of Dinkirk, was possible because the French soldiers did the sacrifice of themselves to protect the evacuation, during several days.

Your right about that, the French did act heroically that time. That time it was because the Belgians sold out.

After the surrender of Belgian forces by King Leopold, the British Expeditionary Force and the French First Army were in immediate danger of being surrounded and either massacred or captured

Anyway.
You live on google ?
You should know hat google is not always the truth.....tape "Bush stupid" or something like that.... you 'll see.....

Did you get the joke or not?

I don't care about a website who say filthy things about France, because the HIstory is on my side : you can deny, the history of the french victories couldn't be denied. Instead of living on Google, try to open a history book, buffon ! You will learn some things........

I learned that you lack a sense of humor, Frenchy.

I thought it was funny, and moreso since it seemed to insult you deeply.

If this is an example, the French must be so uptight, they can suck the graphite out of a #2 pencil and poop out a diamond on command.

 

[padisha emperor]

Comrade, i will explain to you why the "french military victories" on google doesn't make me laugh...
He saw it maybe....5 or 6 times. first time, I found it quite funny...dumb, wrong, but funny...but when you saw it 5 yimes, the 6 times, you find it boring.


The french resistance :
ther Yougoslavian's one was great. But in a mountain country it is easier : look : the french in Vercors, resisted against 10,000 Waffen SS, in 1944.

the frenhc resistance did sabotage acts, against train - troops trains, ammo trains... - against bridges....without the help of them, D DAy would be harder for Allies. Germans would be able to send more and more troops.
They also did intelligence jobs. Like : send the planes of the Atlantic wall....give to London the "time table" of the U-Boot...
And also save London from the destruction : Michel Hollard sent to London the planes of the V1 rockets. With this good intelligence service, the british were able to destruct these bases.
If the V1 bases were ready : 300 V1 / day during...8 monthes.
Even Eisenhower said that if there would be an attck of V1, tyhe DDay would have been later, so the war would be longer.


But i never said that Warsaw' insurrection of Tito's resistance were not good...not at all

 

[Annie]

Comrade, i will explain to you why the "french military victories" on google doesn't make me laugh...
He saw it maybe....5 or 6 times. first time, I found it quite funny...dumb, wrong, but funny...but when you saw it 5 yimes, the 6 times, you find it boring....

You keep trying to defend the indefensible.