Who's yer daddy? No daddy; no check

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    Read more: Time to ensure dads are in kids' lives--Editorial - NYPOST.com

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    This should be a model for every state in the union. Comments?
     
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    To the OP: Yes...and No.

    Every situation is different. There are women who simply don't know who the father is. In extreme cases they may not have so much as a name.

    There are women who know but just don't want him around, for reasons that run the gamut from them not wanting to share control of the child to the father's issues they believe would be harmful to the child if exposed to them. In that situation the father can press his rights through use of the courts and putative father registries, though. He always has recourse.

    Then there are the men who abandon the mother and child and it's his choice not to have anything to do with the child. These men whether they're on a birth certificate or not aren't going to be involved and will fight taking responsibility.

    Then there's the other extreme, the women who don't want or cannot supply a father's name on a birth certificate because it was a situation of incest, rape or abuse.

    There are so many different situations out there it's difficult to come up with a one size fits all rule that addresses every one of them in a just manner. Which is why family laws are so complicated and the result (ideally at least) is always an individual determination. I would hesitate to apply either a one size fits all rule in this situation or allow an overworked, underpaid, cynical and most likely highly unqualified caseworker to make any kind of individual determination.
     
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    If a woman does not know the name of the man who fathered her kid, why should I be held responsible? Perhaps women should take a tad more responsibility and find out such detail before they breed with a guy? Just an idea.

    I think we're all intelligent enough to work out that this kind of law couldn't apply in certain circumstances.

    There is never a 'one size fits all' solution to societies problems... that does not mean we shouldn't cover the majority with this kind of process.
     
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    why should the child suffer cause the mother is a ho? its not the mother you are punishing but the child.
     
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    Why should society pick up the tab for irresponsible behavior? Take the kid away from her.
     
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    Give it up for adoption then. Why make the child suffer for 18 years because the mother's a ho?

    And yes, there could be extraordinary cases of incest or rape, but like anything else, they could be dealth with case by case.

    It would stop a lot of fraude and abuse, and might even make the daddies wear a condom. Win/win.
     
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    :eusa_eh:You're punishing both.....but the child is the innocent one.
     
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    Another unaddressed issue is that paternity can often be inferred by the child's DNA. The DNA banks are getting big enough to demonstrate that dad is the first cousin of a car thief from Waco. That process of better ID is going to cause and may be the cause of the current problem. Also notifying the dad that he is dad might lose mom her meal ticket.
     
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    The problem is this law WOULD apply in all circumstances, at least as proposed. And it doesn't adequately address those circumstances. Nor does it take into account the fact that pursuing a determined deadbeat can cost the State far, far more in money and manpower than a child care subsidy or some food stamps. So do supervised visitation programs for fathers with abuse or addiction problems. So do chronic bouncebacks in the court system. Why do you think that $5 billion in child support already accrued goes unpaid in the first place? :rolleyes:

    It's a bumper sticker feel good proposal to "solve" an incredibly complex situation that won't do jack to actually address the problem. Fathers who aren't on birth certificates have recourse in every State, if they want rights they can get them. Many don't. How will punishing the mothers force the dads to step up?
     
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