Who's Behind Denying Free Speech.

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    Former Israel MK Urges Universal Laws against Holocaust Denial

    Tichon said that one of its primary objectives is to convince countries to make the Holocaust illegal in the face of growing Holocaust deniers, including heads of state. He emphasized he was not referring only to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Tichon explained that laws against Holocaust denial would allow countries to place offenders on trial and help reduce the encouragement of anti-Semitic attacks, which earlier this month were aimed at synagogues in France and Lithuania. The Task Force also encourages appropriate forms of Holocaust remembrance.

    Its member countries are Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.

    Fighting Holocaust Denial - Jewish World - News - Israel National News

    'nuff said, really. just a response to a poster who says jews have nothing to do with the passage of holocaust denial laws.
     
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    What are they afraid of?
     
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    Europeans are behind this law as it was first adopted and passed by them. Israel only recently adopted them after 50 years later, because it prevents nazi cocksuckers like you from spreading anti Semitism.
     
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    israel was the first country to specifically pass laws prohibiting free speech regarding the holocaust. they did so in 1986 and have been pushing other countries to pass such laws since.

    i have not ever denied the heartless killing of millions of people in NAZI extermination camps.

    israel's law was passed 38 years after her founding.
     
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    Are you showing your Jew hate and igorance again?

    Austria

    In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism.

    National Socialism Prohibition Law 1947

    § 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years imprisonment.[16]

    § 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[17]

    Czech Republic

    In addition to Holocaust denial, denial of communist perpetrated atrocities is illegal in the Czech Republic.


    Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)

    § 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner, b) he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war

    § 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.

    § 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.[22]

    Austria
    The Verbotsgesetz 1945 (The Prohibition Act 1945) is an Austrian constitutional
    law that provided the legal framework for denazification and aimed to suppress
    any potential of revival of Nazism in Austria.

    Germany
    Volksverhetzung (“incitement of the people”) is a concept under German criminal
    law that prohibits the incitement of hatred against a particular group of people.
    §130 Public Incitement 1985

    (1) Whoever, in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public
    peace:
    1. incites hatred against segments of the population or calls for
    violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
    2. assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously
    maligning, or defaming segments of the population,
    shall be punished with imprisonment from three months to five
    years.
    (3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or belittles
    an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type
    indicated in Section 6 subsection (1) of the Code of Crimes against
    International Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public
    peace shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five
    years or a fine.
    (4) Whoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a
    manner that assaults the human dignity of the victims by approving
    of, denying or rendering harmless the violent and arbitrary National
    Socialist rule shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than
    three years or a fine.1
     
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    PF Tinmore asks a very important question;

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    Seal, this is the heart of the matter they are afraid not only of the truth but that the truth will come out !!! This can be seen in Roudy"s responce to your post, he does a document dump that has little if anything to do with the question at hand. They are afraid of you and Tinmore because you know and speak the truth and they are unwilling to deal with it because holocaust denial and anti-Semitism actually play into their game of self pity. They constantly bring up the Holocaust in order to garner sympathy for the State of Israel. You never hear any of them express any sympathy for the victims of other Holocausts, as a matter of fact they seek to limit the use of that word to and for the Jews. It would be easier to feel empathy for them if they were to at least admit that other people have suffered as much as they have most notably the Romani and the Irish.

    They are afraid to respond to you Seal because you always tie them up with the truth !!!
    When they do respond to you all they usually are able to come up with are vulger insults which say more about their character than any thing else.
     
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    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The laws were passed initially to prevent Nazism from rising again, and later amended to include inciting hate speech, and denial of genocides of ALL PEOPLES. Fucking idiots.

     
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    that law was written immediately after WWII to to prevent a revival of the NAZI party in a particularly volatile area. the amendment to that law that specifically prohibits grossly downplaying genocide was written in 1992.

    the first modern day holocaust denial law was passed by israel in 1986.

    most of these laws were written against the intent to incite and amendended in the 90s to include genocide, and to sometimes include the holocaust..

    i cannot stand in front of the british embassy on st. patricks day and scream "kill the english" and claim i was exercising my first amendment rights. i was inciting violence.

    i am not showing my ignorance, i am showing yours. certainly everybody is ignorant but my ignorance doesn't extend to not understanding the diferences between laws against holocaust denial and those against public incitement. nor am i confused or ignorant as to tthe purpose of amendments to law.

    for instance, one could make the claim that the constitution prohibited slavery. one could also correcctly claim that the constitution did not prohibit slavery. before 1864 it didn't. after 1864, it did.

    figure it out. by the way, you neglected to post this, which is part of the amendment to the german law, a definition of what constitutes genocide...

    § 6 Genocide

    (1) Whoever with the intent of destroying as such, in whole or in part, a national, racial, religious or ethnic group:

    kills a member of the group,
    causes serious bodily or mental harm to a member of the group, especially of the kind referred to in section 226 of the Criminal Code,
    inflicts on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part,
    imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group,
    forcibly transfers a child of the group to another group, shall be punished with imprisonment for life. (...)[26]

    seems like israelis are violating what many nations consider genocide. i would be very surprised if the above is in their law. i hope it is.
     
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    You have a reading comprehension problem as well? The law was later amended to include denial of genocides of all peoples, and Israel had absolutely nothing to do with it. But somehow Jew hating Nazi cocksuckers like you need to link it back to Jews. Can you show me where the word "Jews" or "Holocaust" is even mentioned in these laws that were passed all over Europe, asshole?

    Austria

    In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism.

    National Socialism Prohibition Law 1947

    § 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years imprisonment.[16]

    § 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[17]

    Czech Republic

    In addition to Holocaust denial, denial of communist perpetrated atrocities is illegal in the Czech Republic.


    Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)

    § 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner, b) he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war

    § 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.

    § 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.[22]

    Austria
    The Verbotsgesetz 1945 (The Prohibition Act 1945) is an Austrian constitutional
    law that provided the legal framework for denazification and aimed to suppress
    any potential of revival of Nazism in Austria.

    Germany
    Volksverhetzung (“incitement of the people”) is a concept under German criminal
    law that prohibits the incitement of hatred against a particular group of people.
    §130 Public Incitement 1985

    (1) Whoever, in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public
    peace:
    1. incites hatred against segments of the population or calls for
    violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
    2. assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously
    maligning, or defaming segments of the population,
    shall be punished with imprisonment from three months to five
    years.
    (3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or belittles
    an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type
    indicated in Section 6 subsection (1) of the Code of Crimes against
    International Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public
    peace shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five
    years or a fine.
    (4) Whoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a
    manner that assaults the human dignity of the victims by approving
    of, denying or rendering harmless the violent and arbitrary National
    Socialist rule shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than
    three years or a fine.1
     
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    Roudy says...

    "Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The laws were passed initially to prevent Nazism from rising again, and later amended to include inciting hate speech, and denial of genocides of ALL PEOPLES. Fucking idiots."



    and all i said was that the first HOLOCAUST DENIAL LAW was passed by israel in 1986.
     

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