"Who won the veep debate" thread

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    I doubt it.
     
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    Not everyone can be like you and live on welfare.
     
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    You are a liberal or a centrist. You cannot be both.
    Nixon was not even CLOSE to being a conservative. Nixon was a typical California liberal. Nixon governed as a central planner. Not a centrist.
    New deal? Yer kidding. First more massive government spending will go only to further scuttle the economy.
    Second....Today's entitlement minded waiting for a government handout types would NEVER tolerate a "work for welfare" or even the promise of a good paying job for a set period of time. Social safety nets have gotten much too easy to get, too lucrative and too easy to stay on.
    In effect, the current recipient of taxpayer largess already HAS a new deal.
    The best way to grow the middle class is for the government to get the hell out of the way of the private sector, stop proposing more taxes, higher taxes, and more regulations.
    No government program, no mandate or other scheme will help anyone.
    Government needs to get the hell out of the way of the economy.
    NO...No one is saying there should be no regulations, no laws, no control as is the liberal straw man argument.
    As for the rest of your rants about pollution and medical care....Please no more liberal talking points.
    Yes I am quite sure Romney will simply snap his fingers and all EPA regualtions will be rescinded. The Clean Air Act..Gone. All who are incapable of affording private medical insurance, to hell with you. Get sick and die. Sure.
    Obama is ruling, not governing, by executive fiat. We've had enough of the self proclaimed elected king.
    Obama's policies have created an almost flat GDP growth rate over the time he has been in office. Obama has created over 6 trillion dollars in new debt since taking office.
    Unemployment has been over 8% for his entire administration. Obama has shown no leadership nor has been willing to take any of the responsibility for the terrible economy and non -existent foreign policy. "When I took office I inherited quite a mess"..
    Ok, if Obama is as great as a president as you people claim him to be, then why is Obama making excuses such as "I inherited a mess".."I have tried but it's harder than I thought"
    Well Mr President, if the job is harder than you thought, then what makes you think you are now qualified for the Office of POTUS...?
     
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    Other than a few such as Teddy Roosevelt, JFK and Ronald Reagan has EVER told the people what they DID NOT want to hear?
    That's why they are called politicians and not statesmen.
    So please, if you are implying that "dear leader" has never pandered to a constituency or a specific special interest group, you have not been paying attention. Or you are so biased, you are blinded by that bias.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point. My political views have not shifted in 50 years, but now you are saying that the 'center' is somewhere in the middle of right wing views??? I have been saying for years that the two major political parties have both shifted to the right. The GOP has shifted so far to the right is it no longer a viable party for We, the People.

    Nixon, a liberal? Surely you jest. I guess you have no knowledge of the man and his sick right wing beliefs, or the 100,000 'California liberals' who ended up in prison because of Nixon's draconian beliefs?

    WHO are these 'entitlement minded waiting for a government handout types'...the Romney 47 %ers?

    Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

    Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

    80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

    The only people in this country who are the 'entitlement minded waiting for a government handout types' are the Wall Street criminals who crashed our economy and got bonuses and golden parachutes, instead of prison sentences.

    Again, I guess you pay little attention to what conservative presidents believe or do. George W. Bush castrated the Clean Water Act just by changing the meaning of a few terms.

    Or that the current teapublican House of Representatives is the most anti-environmental House in history. In just the year since the GOP took control of the House, there have been at least 159 votes held against environmental protections -- including 83 targeting the Environmental Protection Agency.

    And you don't even pay attention to the current right wing corporate shill running for president...

    Romney: Uninsured have emergency rooms

    GDP growth? Let's take a look at history...

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    "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
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