Who should rule test?

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    No quibbling, no long explanations, no, it depends....you're applying for a leadership role, answers are yes or no.


    Do you understand your core values?
    Is liberty more important than equality?
    Is the state necessary?
    Is government necessary?
    Are all values relative?
    Are rights more important than duties?
    Have you ever regretted something you have done?
    Does the free market exist?
    Is welfare acceptable?
    Are you better than a homeless bum?
    Is the separation of church and state a good thing?
    Should societies attempt social justice?
    Do you read?
    Are poor people lazy?
    Should health care be available to all?


    All 15 questions are Yes or No. Two questions are debatable, four questions are 'No,' Nine demand a 'Yes' answer if you are to rule. A correct score to be a ruler must be close to perfect. Not done yet.
     
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    Just give me the job, no need for a test :D
     
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    Ohh and who made the decision on what is required?

    yes
    yes ( one can not have equality without liberty)
    yes
    yes ( the above is the same question basicly)
    no
    yes
    yes
    yes
    yes ( misleading question though as it doesn't address by whom)
    no ( another misleading question that does not provide enough information for an informed answer)
    yes
    no
    yes
    no ( another misleading question without enough information for an informed response)
    yes ( and another one, as it does not address how such care is provided)

    The questions do not provide enough information to be valid. Lets take the last for example... you are aware that "health care" is already available to everyone in the United States?
     
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    Oh, we're being serious.

    Do you understand your core values?

    Yes.

    Is liberty more important than equality?

    No.



    Is the state necessary?

    Yes - at the moment

    Is government necessary?

    Yes - at the moment

    Are all values relative?

    No


    Are rights more important than duties?

    No


    Have you ever regretted something you have done?

    Yes.


    Does the free market exist?

    Yes. The purest model is the drug trade.

    Is welfare acceptable?

    Yes.

    Are you better than a homeless bum?

    Yes


    Is the separation of church and state a good thing?

    Yes.



    Should societies attempt social justice?

    Yes.


    Do you read?

    Yes.



    Are poor people lazy?

    No.


    Should health care be available to all?

    Yes.
     
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    Interesting.

    I want to wait just a bit before I give my take. This was prompted by our current president who I personally think may be the worst leader American as elected to so high an office.
     
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    I can understand why you and others dont like the President, but your tendency to hyperbole is starting to get boring.

    Who should rule? We should rule ourselves. Yet few people even try.
     
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    And he can't seem to even answer his own question.
     
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    Hyperbole? Lt Bush to his soldiers, 'we go this way.'
    Soldiers to Lt. Bush, 'but sir that a quagmire!'
    next scene, soldiers stuck in quagmire.
    Bush to soldiers, ' gotta go, have political work in Alabama, cya.'

    Take the test and stop whining.

    ps I and those others, whomever they may be, may like Bush just fine, good guy to have around, just not presidential material.
     
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    thanks for making my point. Just get to your point and start whining.
     
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    This is an interesting test, but I object to the Yes/No requirement.

    For example, take the last question "Should healthcare be available to all?"

    I think this is a proxy for "Should the government nationalize the healthcare industry and make its services available to everyone, regardless of merit, with no payment at the point of consumption -- provided they are American citizens or inside the borders of America (outside the borders, we don't care)." (I added the last bit in parentheses to deflate the assumed moral superiority of people advocating socialized medicine, because I have never yet met a Leftist who is willing to advocate that Americans should pay for the healthcare of the whole planet.)

    And we can answer this question, on principle, the same way we would answer the following question:

    "Should food be available to all?" Now the availability of food is even more important than the availabilty of healthcare. But I have met few Leftists (in America) who think we should follow the Soviet example and collectivize our farms, or give away the food in the supermarkets. Despite food being a commodity which makes money for wicked white capitalists, it all too available in America.

    The answer to both these questions is:

    "Yes, but in such a way that no one is rewarded for refusing to contribute the common effort which produces food and healthcare, and in such a way that the human ingenuity, which has so enormously increased the availability and effectiveness of both, in part driven by the desire for material rewards, is not stifled.

    Within that framework, some government intervention may be helpful, although the extravagant expectations of those who favor it will probably be disappointed, and the charitable impulse towards the truly unfortunate should continue to be honored and where possible made the first resort."
     

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