Who is a Jew?

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    Who decides who is a real follower of Judaism?

    Why, it's the word of G-d as revealed in the Torah. No picking and choosing amongst Yahweh's yearnings. Either you follow The Law, or you suffer the consequences.

    To elucidate:
    If you haven't done so yet today, please recite the
    Blessings over the Torah
    before reading the Torah on this web site.
    Who Is a Jew, According to the Torah?

    How do we define who is a born Jew and who is not? If one of your parents is not Jewish, are you still Jewish?

    This subject is a hotly debated one, at least among the non-Orthodox Jewish groups, but I don't really intend to discuss the politics of it very much. I want to simply explain the Orthodox stance, and demonstrate that it is and was the original Jewish definition.

    Before I begin, I want to point out that absolutely none of what I write here is my own opinion. Throughout this article I am citing the Talmud and the Rabbis of the Talmud. None of this is my own interpretation, and none of this did I think up on my own, unless I explicitly say so.

    So do not write me and insist that I am creating my own interpretation of the verses. I am telling you what the Rabbis say in the Talmud, and how they proved the meanings of the verses.

    In any case, look at the verses and think about what they mean. Read the logic I cite here from the Rabbis. Don't focus on personalities. You're not liking a conclusion is not a good enough reason to ignore the logic and attack people.

    Now let's discuss the subject.

    The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. Even though the Torah forbids a Jewish woman to marry a Gentile man, if she does, her children will still be Jewish.

    The Torah also forbids a Jewish man to marry a Gentile woman, and if he does, his children by that woman will not be Jewish. (beingjewish.com)
     
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    Well! Just damn!
     
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    You forgot to mention people who sincerely convert to Judaism.
     
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    You forgot to read the first premise of the article.
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    How do we define who is a born Jew and who is not?"

    PS- Need I remind you that not all conversions are recognized by all forms of Judaism?
     
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    I'm with Forveryoung - anyone can convert to Judaism, and I know a few people who have.

    It's thus up to each Synagogue themselves to decide who meets the criteria.

    I don't get the OP's point anyway - the fact that Judaism has traditionally been matriarchal is something I'd imagine everyone on this board (except, perhaps Roudy) is already aware of.

    So what? Is that wrong?

    updated to add - ok, converts are not born Jewish, granted. Again - so what?
     
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    Isn't this common knowledge? What am I missing?
     
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    Two of my cousins felt the need to convert as they believe our family has Jewish roots. The family's surname is common in Israel (it appears in the book "Schindler's List), but our grandfather was born in Austria. Ancestors may have converted to Catholicism to avoid Nazi persecution, but the cousins are 3 generations removed. Yet they still felt the need to convert. I went to the ceremony at the Synagogue and it was very moving. Still, not for me thanks.
     
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    Jew- One who has a Jewish mother or converts to Judaism (while not adapting any form of Avoda Zarah)
     
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    Perhaps, since the Herr Professor is having himself a grand time telling us about Jews, maybe we should start a thread with the title What Makes a Jew Hater. He seems to forget all the derogatory things he said about Jews on another medium.
     
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    Another medium? The one where you claimed to be a friend of Jerry Sandusky?

    PS- Please feel free to dispute the Torah!
     

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