Who do you trust more on health care?

Well, if you're like most Americans, the answer is Barack Obama.

Poll: Obama has double-digit advantage on health care, Medicare - POLITICO.com
More from the new CNN poll out this afternoon: President Obama has a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney on both the issues of health care and Medicare.

According to the poll, 54 percent of likely voters think Obama would better handle the issue of health care, compared with 45 percent for Romney. Before the conventions, on Aug. 22-23, Obama led by only 1 point on the issue, 49 percent to 48 percent.

On Medicare, the disparity is even more pronounced: Obama leads Romney by 11 points, 54 percent to 43 percent, compared with a 1-point lead back in the pre-convention August poll.

Health care is an issue on which the public has been deeply divided, even in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling earlier this summer. And Medicare, though it's been a traditionally winning issue for Democrats, is something Republicans have sought to play offense on after Paul Ryan joined the GOP ticket. These numbers suggest that, at least in terms of messaging at the conventions, Democrats have the upper hand on both issues.

Perhaps that's why Mitt is starting to embrace Obamacare.

How desperate are you Obamabots?

Favor Obamacare?

Yeah that's like saying a scorpion loves to roll around in crushed glass...

You need to take this act to Vegas...

No wonder you voted for this failure, can you get sucked in any deeper?

Say what you want about any politician, Obama takes the cake for the largest failure to date, his fans such as yourself take second place...
 
Myself. I dont trust the government at all.

Odd that you dont mind the government telling you what to do with your body when it comes to health care

The government is telling people that they need to have health insurance so that if they get sick, they are covered. It has nothing to do with the government telling anyone what to do with their body. Now I understand that there are people out there who would rather take their chances and not be forced into buying health insurance, but when everyone who is insured ends up paying for them in the end, do we not have an obligation to those who pay to see to it that those who don't want to actually do?

At what point do you think the government shouldn't force you to engage in commerce?

I'm pretty sure the automobile manufacturers would love it if the government forced you to engage in an automobile purchase.
I'm pretty sure the apple growers would love it if the government forced you to purchase apples.
I'm pretty sure the carpet industry would love it if the government forced people to carpet their living rooms.

At what point do you think the government shouldn't force you to engage in commerce?
What commerce do you find acceptable for the government to force you to engage in?
 
Well, if you're like most Americans, the answer is Barack Obama.

Poll: Obama has double-digit advantage on health care, Medicare - POLITICO.com
More from the new CNN poll out this afternoon: President Obama has a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney on both the issues of health care and Medicare.

According to the poll, 54 percent of likely voters think Obama would better handle the issue of health care, compared with 45 percent for Romney. Before the conventions, on Aug. 22-23, Obama led by only 1 point on the issue, 49 percent to 48 percent.

On Medicare, the disparity is even more pronounced: Obama leads Romney by 11 points, 54 percent to 43 percent, compared with a 1-point lead back in the pre-convention August poll.

Health care is an issue on which the public has been deeply divided, even in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling earlier this summer. And Medicare, though it's been a traditionally winning issue for Democrats, is something Republicans have sought to play offense on after Paul Ryan joined the GOP ticket. These numbers suggest that, at least in terms of messaging at the conventions, Democrats have the upper hand on both issues.

Perhaps that's why Mitt is starting to embrace Obamacare.
NOT the federal government.
Government has NO BUSINESS taking over the health insurance industry, medical care, compensation of medical professionals....none of it.
ALL government mandates for coverage should be eliminated.
 
Who do you trust more on health care?

why the capitalists of course who have to work hard to pay for the extravagant lifestyle they long to support.

Those who work in health care just because they actually want to help people must be somewhat deranged.
 
Odd that you dont mind the government telling you what to do with your body when it comes to health care

The government doesn't tell you what to do with your body when it comes to health care.
Please do not be unsophisticated.
Do you really believe that NO strings will be attached?
Obamacare is just the beginning. As the costs skyrocket out of control, government will be forced to institute new rules. This is the reason why the Secretary of Health and Human Services has absolute authority to run the program. Congress in it's infinite wisdom, gave away all of it's legislative authority over ACA.
 
Odd that you dont mind the government telling you what to do with your body when it comes to health care

The government doesn't tell you what to do with your body when it comes to health care.
Please do not be unsophisticated.
Do you really believe that NO strings will be attached?
Obamacare is just the beginning. As the costs skyrocket out of control, government will be forced to institute new rules. This is the reason why the Secretary of Health and Human Services has absolute authority to run the program. Congress in it's infinite wisdom, gave away all of it's legislative authority over ACA.

so congress should run healthcare vs the dept of Health and Human services?
 
In the final analysis, do we trust the gov't to run HC or do we trust the gov't to do a better job of regulating the industry.

The U.S. has opted for the latter. Competitive private marketplaces with consumer protections.

Wiseacre said:
If it was me, I'd get the federal gov't out of the HC business and leave it to the states to try different solutions. Chances are somebody will arrive at the best solutions, money is getting tighter all the time.

You and the President seem to agree on this point.

Here's former GOP Majority Leader Bill Frist explaining the advantages of state-based solutions like the ACA's exchanges (an approach that's been embraced by both Paul Ryan and, obviously, Mitt Romney):
State exchanges are the solution. They represent the federalist ideal of states as "laboratories for democracy." We are seeing 50 states each designing a model that is right for them, empowered to take into account their individual cultures, politics, economies, and demographics. While much planning has yet to be done, we are already seeing a huge range in state models. I love the diversity and the innovation.

Helping more Americans find and compare the private insurance they need and can afford should be an easy principle both political parties agree on.

Want a more conservative, small-business focused exchange that bans abortion coverage in all its plans? Try Utah and its state exchange, originally founded under Gov. Jon Huntsman. Think that President Obama missed a huge opportunity to steer the nation towards a single payer system? Try Vermont, which plans to ultimately transform its state exchange into a single payer system, Green Mountain Care, that will offer coverage to all state residents. With soaring health care costs one of, if not the most, dangerous threats to America's greatness, a new round of national health care experimentation is exactly what we need.

As has proven to be their custom, the Obama administration has provided additional opportunities and funds to help states pursue their own health reforms. Two examples:


It soon will once the IPAB gets going.

The IPAB doesn't tell you what to do with your body either.
Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.
 
Well, if you're like most Americans, the answer is Barack Obama.

Poll: Obama has double-digit advantage on health care, Medicare - POLITICO.com
More from the new CNN poll out this afternoon: President Obama has a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney on both the issues of health care and Medicare.

According to the poll, 54 percent of likely voters think Obama would better handle the issue of health care, compared with 45 percent for Romney. Before the conventions, on Aug. 22-23, Obama led by only 1 point on the issue, 49 percent to 48 percent.

On Medicare, the disparity is even more pronounced: Obama leads Romney by 11 points, 54 percent to 43 percent, compared with a 1-point lead back in the pre-convention August poll.

Health care is an issue on which the public has been deeply divided, even in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling earlier this summer. And Medicare, though it's been a traditionally winning issue for Democrats, is something Republicans have sought to play offense on after Paul Ryan joined the GOP ticket. These numbers suggest that, at least in terms of messaging at the conventions, Democrats have the upper hand on both issues.

Perhaps that's why Mitt is starting to embrace Obamacare.



The big problem here is not one of those "poll" people read that damn bill yet. I managed to get through it......and it's not something to fool with, it's nasty and has alot of "surprises" and some of the crap in there isn't even Healthcare related(student loan payoffs? WTF?)
it's not anything either O or R should be proud of or happy over or supportive of.

It has an "open door" to that one payer situation. And I just knew Romney would favor it b/c it's simular to his Massachusett plan. :mad:
 
This is the reason why the Secretary of Health and Human Services has absolute authority to run the program. Congress in it's infinite wisdom, gave away all of it's legislative authority over ACA.

I'm not even sure what these sentences are supposed to mean. Congress has already legislatively altered the ACA more than a half dozen times.

Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.

Health Connector: Health Insurance for Massachusetts Residents

Wow, six years on it looks like they still have private health insurance in Romneyland. And lots of it!
 
Republicans say "let him die". That will cost more than preemptive health care.


Actually, it is the democrats who will say "let him die", in the form of the IPAB that will decide who gets what treatment.

Insurance companies have been deciding for years, and it's rarely in favor of the patient.


A question was raised months ago as to why the insurance companies aren't in an uproar over this Obamacare. Well that is easy, they are getting their cut of the pie. And don't let any MSM tell you otherwise. Why aren't they spitting nickles by now? Why aren't they creating an all out war with DC over this? Some say this bill will put the co's out of business , so wouldn't you think they have a flippin fit over that?

Death panels are truly in the hc bill. They call them "regulatory boards" that's "Dem's speak" for "Death panels"
 
Myself. I dont trust the government at all.

Odd that you dont mind the government telling you what to do with your body when it comes to health care

The government is telling people that they need to have health insurance so that if they get sick, they are covered. It has nothing to do with the government telling anyone what to do with their body. Now I understand that there are people out there who would rather take their chances and not be forced into buying health insurance, but when everyone who is insured ends up paying for them in the end, do we not have an obligation to those who pay to see to it that those who don't want to actually do?

Don't kid yourself. When government offers something, it always comes with a catch.
In order for ACA to work, all kinds of regulations on food, beverage and lifestyle will be placed on Americans. This will either be done by passage of legislation, by order of the Sec'y of HHS or by taxation.
In no way will any of this be "free".
 
Well, if you're like most Americans, the answer is Barack Obama.

Poll: Obama has double-digit advantage on health care, Medicare - POLITICO.com
More from the new CNN poll out this afternoon: President Obama has a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney on both the issues of health care and Medicare.

According to the poll, 54 percent of likely voters think Obama would better handle the issue of health care, compared with 45 percent for Romney. Before the conventions, on Aug. 22-23, Obama led by only 1 point on the issue, 49 percent to 48 percent.

On Medicare, the disparity is even more pronounced: Obama leads Romney by 11 points, 54 percent to 43 percent, compared with a 1-point lead back in the pre-convention August poll.

Health care is an issue on which the public has been deeply divided, even in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling earlier this summer. And Medicare, though it's been a traditionally winning issue for Democrats, is something Republicans have sought to play offense on after Paul Ryan joined the GOP ticket. These numbers suggest that, at least in terms of messaging at the conventions, Democrats have the upper hand on both issues.

Perhaps that's why Mitt is starting to embrace Obamacare.

The media is a powerful weapon for the administration, isn't it, Greenbeard?
 
In the final analysis, do we trust the gov't to run HC or do we trust the gov't to do a better job of regulating the industry.

The U.S. has opted for the latter. Competitive private marketplaces with consumer protections.



You and the President seem to agree on this point.

Here's former GOP Majority Leader Bill Frist explaining the advantages of state-based solutions like the ACA's exchanges (an approach that's been embraced by both Paul Ryan and, obviously, Mitt Romney):


As has proven to be their custom, the Obama administration has provided additional opportunities and funds to help states pursue their own health reforms. Two examples:


It soon will once the IPAB gets going.

The IPAB doesn't tell you what to do with your body either.
Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.

the shame of Obama, robbing those companys profiting from our illnesses.
 
This is the reason why the Secretary of Health and Human Services has absolute authority to run the program. Congress in it's infinite wisdom, gave away all of it's legislative authority over ACA.

I'm not even sure what these sentences are supposed to mean. Congress has already legislatively altered the ACA more than a half dozen times.

Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.

Health Connector: Health Insurance for Massachusetts Residents

Wow, six years on it looks like they still have private health insurance in Romneyland. And lots of it!

You are uninformed...
Read the last paragraph on the first page just above the contents of Title I...
Read the Law | HealthCare.gov

"The Secretary has the authority to implement many of these new provisions to help families and small business owners have the information they need to make the choices that work best for them. "
The law is replete with these two phrases..."the Secretary shall"...."the Secretary may"...
If that is beyond your comprehension, so be it.
 
The U.S. has opted for the latter. Competitive private marketplaces with consumer protections.



You and the President seem to agree on this point.

Here's former GOP Majority Leader Bill Frist explaining the advantages of state-based solutions like the ACA's exchanges (an approach that's been embraced by both Paul Ryan and, obviously, Mitt Romney):


As has proven to be their custom, the Obama administration has provided additional opportunities and funds to help states pursue their own health reforms. Two examples:




The IPAB doesn't tell you what to do with your body either.
Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.

the shame of Obama, robbing those companys profiting from our illnesses.
ACA does not "rob" anything. It's goal is to put private health insurance out of business.
 
You are uninformed...
Read the last paragraph on the first page just above the contents of Title I...
Read the Law | HealthCare.gov

"The Secretary has the authority to implement many of these new provisions to help families and small business owners have the information they need to make the choices that work best for them. "
The law is replete with these two phrases..."the Secretary shall"...."the Secretary may"...
If that is beyond your comprehension, so be it.

Like any piece of legislation, it says "the Secretary shall" because the executive branch is charged with executing the contents of the law (fun fact: that's where that branch of government's name comes from). Statutory directives to implement a law do not grant "absolute authority" to the executive branch, nor do they indicate a legislature "gave away all of it's legislative authority" (again, whatever that means).

This is Government 101.
 
Horse hockey....After a few years there will be NO private health insurance to be had. That is the goal of Obamacare.
Look, Obama's first priority was Universal Healthcare. He was told he'd never get it. ACA was the next best thing.

the shame of Obama, robbing those companys profiting from our illnesses.
ACA does not "rob" anything. It's goal is to put private health insurance out of business.

Umm that WAS what I said. :eusa_whistle:
 

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