Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
That's funny, because the only people I hear touting the beliefs of John Wilkes Booth are conservatives.
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Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
When a new member complained that some thought he was a liberal, one of our members proudly proclaimed: Welcome from a real liberal.
The beauty of USMB is how proudly most of the folks here speak right up for their beliefs!
1. So, kudos to our liberals friends, and have a wonderful July 14th, Bastille Day, the day that memorializes the French Revolution, and, since liberals/ progressives are heir to the French Revolution, have a great celebration!
2. Yes, just as an argument can be made that classical liberals, or what would be called conservatives today, are heir to the American Revolution, liberals can trace their provenance to Rousseau, and St. Just!
3. For Rousseau, the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen proclaimed that the general will of the people had to be correct, because it was the general will, the true interest of what everyone wants whether they realize it or not, and he determined the general will, so, anyone who deviated from same deserved no rights!
a. Although he had written a constitution, it became malleable for Robespierre: How did Robespierre actually interpret these principles? He said: [W]e must exterminate all our enemies with the law in our hands; the Declaration of Rights offers no safeguard to conspirators; the suspicions of enlightened patriotism might offer a better guide than formal rules of evidence. http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docl...hvsthefrenchenlightmentgertrudehimmelfarb.pdf,
Notice the echo in the actions of the early Progressives who suggested that the US Constitution may be shed, like a garment. Their views surpassed those of the Founders. http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docl...hvsthefrenchenlightmentgertrudehimmelfarb.pdf
Could there be a better description of the collectivist totalitarian statist?
4. Of course, a minor difference that the astute might notice is that Americas documents did win freedom and individual rights, and Frances Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen led to bestial savagery, followed by Napoleons dictatorship, followed by another monarchy, and finally something resembling an actual republic some 80 years later.
5. And just one more difference between the two revolution, mirroring the difference between liberals and conservatives? With the Jacobins in control, the de-Christianization campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseaus idea of the 'religion civile', the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor reason and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views, Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to Frances new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason (which is French for People for the American Way).Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.
a. The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. 52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians. David Limbaugh Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, an extremist Fundementalist hate group.
(From Coulters best seller, Demonic .)
So, to those of the Liberal persuasion, party like its 1789!
But remember, the party will be over in November, 2012.
Talk about a weird argument.
1. If anything, the French Revolution is part of the Jeffersonian tradition, which is the heart of the modern right in America.
2. The Robespeirre quotes could have come straight from the mouths of modern right-wing politicians.
3. You act as if some great liberal impulse inspired French anti-clericalism. The difference between the American and French revolutions as it pertains to religion is that the church in France was wedded to the state against the interest of the citizenry. One theme you'll notice in the West today is that the countries with the highest rates of religiosity are generally those where the religious establishment was not an active opponent of democratization.
4. That stat about the number of "orthodox Trinitarian Christians" among the signers of the Constitution is utter rubbish.
Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
That's funny, because the only people I hear touting the beliefs of John Wilkes Booth are conservatives.
Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
That's funny, because the only people I hear touting the beliefs of John Wilkes Booth are conservatives.
What's funny is that you are unable to identify anti-war protesters as the left, liberals.....
Didn't you know that Booth claimed that Lincoln's war was one of his main motivations??
Here, let me prompt you toward a more educated view:
John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincolns Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct
But, Slow-Polk, it seems there is a great deal that you don't know, eh?
I'm sure Conservatives would put Obama's head on a pike - or at least deport him to Saudi Arabia - if they could.
Totally false in both essence and in implication.
Neither do the conservative that I'm aware of even speak like that.
Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
It is the Left that is responsible for violence, and the French Revolution is a prime example.
I'm sure Conservatives would put Obama's head on a pike - or at least deport him to Saudi Arabia - if they could.
Totally false in both essence and in implication.
Neither do the conservative that I'm aware of even speak like that.
Only liberals have, for example, assassinated any of our Presidents, of any political figures.
It is the Left that is responsible for violence, and the French Revolution is a prime example.
An the Native Americans were wiped out by lefties only?The massacre in Utah by Mormons was lefties only? So short sighted.
That's funny, because the only people I hear touting the beliefs of John Wilkes Booth are conservatives.
What's funny is that you are unable to identify anti-war protesters as the left, liberals.....
Didn't you know that Booth claimed that Lincoln's war was one of his main motivations??
Here, let me prompt you toward a more educated view:
John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincolns Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct
But, Slow-Polk, it seems there is a great deal that you don't know, eh?
Oh Lord. Are you suggesting Booth assassinated Lincoln because he was an anti-war peacenik? He opposed Lincoln's war because he opposed the North stripping the south of Slavery (or "states rights" if you believe that bullshit).
Trying to parrallel him with people who oppose war because of it's brutiality is stupid beyond belief.
What's funny is that you are unable to identify anti-war protesters as the left, liberals.....
Didn't you know that Booth claimed that Lincoln's war was one of his main motivations??
Here, let me prompt you toward a more educated view:
John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincolns Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct
But, Slow-Polk, it seems there is a great deal that you don't know, eh?
Oh Lord. Are you suggesting Booth assassinated Lincoln because he was an anti-war peacenik? He opposed Lincoln's war because he opposed the North stripping the south of Slavery (or "states rights" if you believe that bullshit).
Trying to parrallel him with people who oppose war because of it's brutiality is stupid beyond belief.
1. I appreciate what inspired same, but it is not necessary to refer to me as your Lord.
2. "Are you suggesting...."
What I am doing, - and you should be able to identify this pattern by now,- is attempting to add to your exiguous store of knowledge.
a. "...because he was an anti-war..."
Did you read the letter?
No?
What a surprise.
3. I have come to understand that you view juggling several thoughts at the same time as akin to juggling several running chain saws, but once you have incorporated the idea that education is a life-long endeavor, you will find that there are multiple motivations that explain Booth's abhorrent action.
What's funny is that you are unable to identify anti-war protesters as the left, liberals.....
Didn't you know that Booth claimed that Lincoln's war was one of his main motivations??
Here, let me prompt you toward a more educated view:
John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincolns Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct
But, Slow-Polk, it seems there is a great deal that you don't know, eh?
Oh Lord. Are you suggesting Booth assassinated Lincoln because he was an anti-war peacenik? He opposed Lincoln's war because he opposed the North stripping the south of Slavery (or "states rights" if you believe that bullshit).
Trying to parrallel him with people who oppose war because of it's brutiality is stupid beyond belief.
1. I appreciate what inspired same, but it is not necessary to refer to me as your Lord.
2. "Are you suggesting...."
What I am doing, - and you should be able to identify this pattern by now,- is attempting to add to your exiguous store of knowledge.
a. "...because he was an anti-war..."
Did you read the letter?
No?
What a surprise.
3. I have come to understand that you view juggling several thoughts at the same time as akin to juggling several running chain saws, but once you have incorporated the idea that education is a life-long endeavor, you will find that there are multiple motivations that explain Booth's abhorrent action.
One could sum up everything PC writes in four words, liberals bad, conservatives good - after that all history takes on a simplicity only the simple can believe. Such well groomed history is odd especially when you read how messy history is. But conservatives excel at coding history into neat dichotomies, only they can create so simple a view, especially since they live in a society founded on liberalism, no nation was ever founded on conservatism, for the whining and finger pointing of conservatives would render them lost, they require liberals to exist and to allow them their imaginary world. It is only in this scapegoating of the other that they exist.
Oh Lord. Are you suggesting Booth assassinated Lincoln because he was an anti-war peacenik? He opposed Lincoln's war because he opposed the North stripping the south of Slavery (or "states rights" if you believe that bullshit).
Trying to parrallel him with people who oppose war because of it's brutiality is stupid beyond belief.
1. I appreciate what inspired same, but it is not necessary to refer to me as your Lord.
2. "Are you suggesting...."
What I am doing, - and you should be able to identify this pattern by now,- is attempting to add to your exiguous store of knowledge.
a. "...because he was an anti-war..."
Did you read the letter?
No?
What a surprise.
3. I have come to understand that you view juggling several thoughts at the same time as akin to juggling several running chain saws, but once you have incorporated the idea that education is a life-long endeavor, you will find that there are multiple motivations that explain Booth's abhorrent action.
get a job
Ha Ha! Your Glenn Beck comment was actually quite funny, Ravi.
Anyway, as an aside. Did any of you brash colonials know that Cherie Blair - Tony Blair's wife - is a direct descendent of John Wilkes-Booth?
That's not a true 'story', that's an undisputed historical fact.
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Allons enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive!
Congrats, France. (A bit early) Some excellent philosophical minds and thankfully the English colonists were wise enough to read the works they published before either revolution. The French would have been well-advised to consider those works, too. However, they seemed to be more driven toward mob rule.
Domage.
But, I have to say that guillotine is beyond harsh. Just creepy, really.
I'm sure Conservatives would put Obama's head on a pike - or at least deport him to Saudi Arabia - if they could.