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No, your original premise is wrong. You aren't buying your social security or medicare from the government. It isn't a one-to-one transaction. Buying something means you own it. You don't own social security or medicare.
One never owns an insurance plan. One has rights to the benefits provided in exchange for a stream of payments. Kinda like...Medicare and SS.
No, your original premise is wrong. You aren't buying your social security or medicare from the government. It isn't a one-to-one transaction. Buying something means you own it. You don't own social security or medicare.
One never owns an insurance plan. One has rights to the benefits provided in exchange for a stream of payments. Kinda like...Medicare and SS.
Own then may be the wrong term. It's provding a service for as long as you choose to pay for it, like cable or internet. SS and medicare don't work that way. 1) You dont have a choice. 2) You aren't paying for YOUR SS or YOUR medicare.
Divecon, daveman, Spoonman continue to fail in their argument.
They can offer absolutely nothing evidentiary that affirmatively supports their position.
Yes, they are here for only grins and chuckles.
daveman wants to socialize his risk and maximize his profit.
He keeps the money he would spend for insurance while society has to assume the risk.
Wrong. If you drive your vehicle only on your own property, you don't need insurance. Furthermore, no one is required to have a car. If you don't want insurance, don't own a car.Now that is a good argument, Bern80. However, everyone must have proof of insurance to own a car. To have folks "own" health care is no different.
From your link:Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
Oh my fucking god you are so fucking retarded, bfgrn. Classical LIBERALISM IS THE EQUIVALENT OF MODERN CONSERVATISM. You are so fucking retarded its not even fun to point it out anymore.
on top of that, gladstone was a brit, and the british had different definitions. back then conservatism was loyalty to the crown, same as it was when john locke spoke of it. ITS IS KNOWN TODAY AS CLASSICAL LIBERALSM. modern liberalism's birth was during the new deal.
oh my god if i saw you in real life i'd punch you in your fat face so hard and it'd be worth it.
OK Einstein, what happened to the 'conservatives' Gladstone talks about...did they just evaporate? Funny, F.A. Hayek who was a classic liberal and considered Gladstone one of the three greatest liberals felt compelled to write a whole essay disassociating himself from conservatism.
Why I Am Not a Conservative - By Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek
You right wing pea brains have tried to hijack liberalism. The only thing you hang your association on is 'Laissez-faire' economics. BUT, you pea brains don't even understand THAT. Corporate run government and corporate welfare and corporate subsidies that externalize costs is NOT 'Laissez-faire' ...it is Mussolini's fascism.
You right wing pea brains that call yourself 'conservatives' have NOTHING in common with liberalism. 'Conservatives' throughout man's existence have always been for an aristocracy, oligarchy and plutocracy.
That is, of course, incorrect.Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving.
When you get health insurance, you're not paying for your own insurance. When you pay into a 401(K) you are not creating a pot of money that is strictly yours. in both instances, current payees fund current recipients.
All are constitutional and all are based on the same principles.
When you get health insurance, you're not paying for your own insurance. When you pay into a 401(K) you are not creating a pot of money that is strictly yours. in both instances, current payees fund current recipients.
I am paying for continued coverage, that is not true of SS or medicare.
The funds you deposit with the insurance company do not go to cover your claims - they go towards covering the claims of whoever might be accessing services at the time or they get invested for future use.
That's what happens with SS and Medicare payments as well.
And you're just plain wrong on the 401(k). Mine I do a own and can cash out whenever I choose.
oh, you can cash it out. But that doesn't mean they set aside money with your name on it. Just like SSDI doesn't set aside your contributions in case you become disabled. Both just pull money out of the pot when you require payments.
The funds you deposit with the insurance company do not go to cover your claims - they go towards covering the claims of whoever might be accessing services at the time or they get invested for future use.
That's what happens with SS and Medicare payments as well.
oh, you can cash it out. But that doesn't mean they set aside money with your name on it. Just like SSDI doesn't set aside your contributions in case you become disabled. Both just pull money out of the pot when you require payments.
The funds you deposit with the insurance company do not go to cover your claims - they go towards covering the claims of whoever might be accessing services at the time or they get invested for future use.
That's what happens with SS and Medicare payments as well.
I am aware of that. What's your point?
The funds you deposit with the insurance company do not go to cover your claims - they go towards covering the claims of whoever might be accessing services at the time or they get invested for future use.
That's what happens with SS and Medicare payments as well.
I am aware of that. What's your point?
My point is that Medicare, SS and other forms of insurance are all services we purchase and that, like SS and Medicare, the HCR bill involves a government mandate to buy the service...
Though we've certainly drifted away from that point
The funds you deposit with the insurance company do not go to cover your claims - they go towards covering the claims of whoever might be accessing services at the time or they get invested for future use.
That's what happens with SS and Medicare payments as well.
I am aware of that. What's your point?
My point is that Medicare, SS and other forms of insurance are all services we purchase and that, like SS and Medicare, the HCR bill involves a government mandate to buy the service...
Though we've certainly drifted away from that point
Short term memory loss? It was the republicans that scuttled the public option. Aside from that, one has ALWAYS had to purchase health care from a company. AND we have always(in recent history) had to pay for others less fortunate medical care in taxes.
Talk about short term memory.
The Health Care Law passed without any Republican support. The Democrats in the Senate scuttled the Public Option because they did not like it. The Republicans would have scuttled the whole thing if they had any power to influence it, but thanks for giving them credit they do not deserve.
Short term memory loss? WOW!
The Health Care Law passed without any Republican support is almost IDENTICAL to the health care plan REPUBLICANS proposed in 1993, INCLUDING the individual mandate.
Republicans would have scuttled the whole thing, even though they KNEW our health care system was broken and bankrupting American families, but they were MORE concerned about defeating our president, than helping the American people.
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Now that is a good argument, Bern80. However, everyone must have proof of insurance to own a car. To have folks "own" health care is no different.
My point is that Medicare, SS and other forms of insurance are all services we purchase and that, like SS and Medicare, the HCR bill involves a government mandate to buy the service...
Though we've certainly drifted away from that point
My point is that Medicare, SS and other forms of insurance are all services we purchase and that, like SS and Medicare, the HCR bill involves a government mandate to buy the service...
Though we've certainly drifted away from that point
Except you just got done arguing that you actually are NOT purchasing services. You are paying for someone elses services. That's all this is happening for the government run programs. Now like it or not that is very different then a contractual agreement between you and a private business to provide a service, whether it be private health insurance, auto insurace, cable, internet whatever in exchange for a recurring usage fee.
The second part addresses a question I have asked before, If you think government has the authority to make you buy things, what DON'T they have the authority to make you do?
Now that is a good argument, Bern80. However, everyone must have proof of insurance to own a car. To have folks "own" health care is no different.
You do not need proof of insurance to own a car.
how about you providing the link that say you must have insurance to own a car?Now that is a good argument, Bern80. However, everyone must have proof of insurance to own a car. To have folks "own" health care is no different.
You do not need proof of insurance to own a car.
Link?
Now that is a good argument, Bern80. However, everyone must have proof of insurance to own a car. To have folks "own" health care is no different.
You do not need proof of insurance to own a car.
Link?
Financial responsibility must be obtained and maintained on any vehicle operated or parked on California roadways and must be provided as specified below:
You must carry evidence of financial responsibility, proof of insurance, in your vehicle at all times.
[*]When requested by law enforcement
[*]When renewing vehicle registration (if requested)
[*]When the vehicle is involved in a traffic accident
[*]Within 30 days of receiving a registration card for a newly acquired vehicle
[*]Within 45 days of the cancellation of a policy for a currently registered vehicle
Types of financial responsibility
[*]A motor vehicle liability insurance policy
[*]A cash deposit of $35,000 with DMV
[*]A DMV issued self-insurance certificate
[*]A surety bond for $35,000 from a company licensed to do business in California
