Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

And just the same with the islamonazi right by previous conquest is now no longer seen as valid, and so they try to re- conquer the lands they lost. Dar al Harb is how you see the world outside of islamonazi influence.

But the land was lost by the Christians to the Muslims. What do European Jews have to do with it?

Ottoman muslims, not arab muslims. The later lost the claim to the land in 1099 and have not managed to reclaim it since. The Ottoman muslims lost the land to the LoN who gave the land to the worlds Jews, and in the process made it International law. So the arab muslims are actually in breach of International law AGAIN by claiming ownership of the land, and trying to use recent laws to overturn International law retrospectively.

So by what law are the arab muslims claiming ownership of Palestine over the Jewish rights under International law.

No, the Christians did not lose the lands to the Ottomans you dimwit. Shows what ignorant ass you are. The Christians and Muslims claimed ownership of Palestine by being the indigenous people, the overwhelming majority (before subsequent invasions) and by owning almost all the land in Palestine, over 85% of it.

Furthermore, the UN itself was in breach of International law when it breached Articles 55 and 73 of the Charter of the U.N. when it did not respect the racial (ethnic) and religious rights of the Christians and Muslims forcing them to submit to Jewish European rule.

Article 55
"With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

1. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
2. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
3. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.

Article 73
Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:

1. to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;"

Obviously the UN did not force the UK (as it should have by the Charter) "to promote the well-being of of the Inhabitants (Christian and Muslim. ed.) or "to ensure with due respect for culture" of the Christian and Muslim Arabs"

Charter of the United Nations Chapter XI Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

Keep trying Abdul one day you might get it right, and the Jews and Christiains were always persecuted by the Muslims

The UN was not even formed when the LoN ( not the UK or Britain ) created the space for the National home of the Jews on just 2% of the land after giving 98% to the arab muslims.

Arab muslims were driven out in 1099 leaving the Christians and the Jews in Palestine, then the Ottomans took over after beating the Crusaders. The arab muslims had no control of the land since 1099 and in 1917 the Ottomans lost control.

The UN charter did not exist in 1922 when the treaty giving the land to the worlds Jews was ratified and signed, so you can retrospectively bring it into force. Nor can a UN resolution breach International law so you can forget the UN charter until the arab muslims decide to abide by it.

The Treaty in 1922 specifically did not give land to the Jews to create a separate state, as the British reinforced this fact in a subsequent letter to the Zionist Organization. So please cut the bullshit.

• • 
    The Colonial Office to the Zionist Organisation.

DOWNING STREET,
3rd June, 1922.


"The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned, are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917. Unauthorised statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine...................it has been observed with satisfaction that at the meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organisation, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of the peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organisation in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the Organisation may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its Government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status."

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

Not an official document that went into law, it was never acted on and so is worthless as evidence of anything.

The Mandate for Palestine set in stone and International law the following

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country


Article 1
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

Article 2
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 3
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

Article 4
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist Organisation, so long as its organisation and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 5
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.

Article 6
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

And were was this not in evidence ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

WHATS WRONG AFRAID TO ANSWER A DIRECT QUESTION ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

WHATS WRONG AFRAID TO ANSWER A DIRECT QUESTION ?

What is "this?" Your question was unclear.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You just cut'n'pasted excerpts from a (very poorly written) Encyclopedia Britannica entry. And this does not answer the question.

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

(COMMENT)

But as the Encyclopedia Britannica entry says: "Iraq and Palestine (including modernJordan and Israel) were assigned to Great Britain, while Turkish-ruled Syria and Lebanon went to France."

(TO THE QUESTION) = So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

• "Who were the legal land owners?"
  • ANSWER: The indigenous population.
• "Who had the legal right under International law?"
  • ANSWER: The legal sovereign authority --- the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey (successor government to the Ottoman) relinquished their authority in favor of the Allied Powers; first by Armitice/Treaty and then two successive Treaties.

The Ottoman/Turkish Empire maintained the sovereignty of the region until it surrendered that authority (in two parts) to the Allied Powers: (From your source!)

FIRST: Encyclopedia Britannica Entry Link

Armistice of Mudros, (Oct. 30, 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, (abroad the HMS Agamemnon) on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.​

SECOND:

Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.

Treaty of Lausanne, (1923), final treaty concluding World War I. It was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain,France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference.

The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese. The Allies dropped their demands of autonomy for Turkish Kurdistan and Turkish cession of territory to Armenia, abandoned claims to spheres of influence in Turkey, and imposed no controls over Turkey’s finances or armed forces. The Turkish straits between the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea were declared open to all shipping.

ARTICLE 16. Treaty of Lausanne JULY 24, 1923

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

Without regard to what you've been told, this sequence of events sets the legitimate authority and control of the region in the hands of the Allied Powers; and NOT in the hands of any particular group of Arab Land owners. Land ownership, as the question implies, has no impact on at all on territorial sovereignty.

Once the Class "A" Mandate instruments were in place, the associated Mandatories became the government for the territory. Representatives of the victorious Allies in World War I meet in San Remo, Italy from April 19-26, 1920. The focus of the conference is the future status of former Ottoman Empire territories in the Middle East. The same day that the resolution is passed (Conference of San Remo), British Prime Minister David Lloyd George asks Samuel to become the first High Commissioner of Palestine. Samuel will govern as Britain’s highest official in Palestine until 1925.

It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

WHATS WRONG AFRAID TO ANSWER A DIRECT QUESTION ?

What is "this?" Your question was unclear.

Not really as you constantly ignore questions and try and derail threads

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You just cut'n'pasted excerpts from a (very poorly written) Encyclopedia Britannica entry. And this does not answer the question.

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

(COMMENT)

But as the Encyclopedia Britannica entry says: "Iraq and Palestine (including modernJordan and Israel) were assigned to Great Britain, while Turkish-ruled Syria and Lebanon went to France."

(TO THE QUESTION) = So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

• "Who were the legal land owners?"
  • ANSWER: The indigenous population.
• "Who had the legal right under International law?"
  • ANSWER: The legal sovereign authority --- the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey (successor government to the Ottoman) relinquished their authority in favor of the Allied Powers; first by Armitice/Treaty and then two successive Treaties.

The Ottoman/Turkish Empire maintained the sovereignty of the region until it surrendered that authority (in two parts) to the Allied Powers: (From your source!)

FIRST: Encyclopedia Britannica Entry Link

Armistice of Mudros, (Oct. 30, 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, (abroad the HMS Agamemnon) on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.​

SECOND:

Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.

Treaty of Lausanne, (1923), final treaty concluding World War I. It was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain,France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference.

The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese. The Allies dropped their demands of autonomy for Turkish Kurdistan and Turkish cession of territory to Armenia, abandoned claims to spheres of influence in Turkey, and imposed no controls over Turkey’s finances or armed forces. The Turkish straits between the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea were declared open to all shipping.

ARTICLE 16. Treaty of Lausanne JULY 24, 1923

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

Without regard to what you've been told, this sequence of events sets the legitimate authority and control of the region in the hands of the Allied Powers; and NOT in the hands of any particular group of Arab Land owners. Land ownership, as the question implies, has no impact on at all on territorial sovereignty.

Once the Class "A" Mandate instruments were in place, the associated Mandatories became the government for the territory. Representatives of the victorious Allies in World War I meet in San Remo, Italy from April 19-26, 1920. The focus of the conference is the future status of former Ottoman Empire territories in the Middle East. The same day that the resolution is passed (Conference of San Remo), British Prime Minister David Lloyd George asks Samuel to become the first High Commissioner of Palestine. Samuel will govern as Britain’s highest official in Palestine until 1925.

It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.​

Most Respectfully,
R

"It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process."

Absolute bullshit from a liar, as proven in official correspondence between the Palestine Delegation and the Colonial Office (Churchill). Where the Palestinians (Christian and Muslims) pleaded for the acceptance of a constitution and their independence to the British. To wit:

PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine........"If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration....
For these reasons we find that no useful purpose would be served by discussing in detail the draft of "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The Delegation requests that the constitution for Palestine should—

• 
  (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
  (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
  
  (3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.
  
  (4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.
  
  (5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.
  
  (6) Guarantee the rights of the Assisting Power.
  

The British answer:

"—Mr. Churchill has already explained in paragraph 4 of this letter why His Majesty's Government are not prepared at the present stage to provide for the creation of a national independent Government in Palestine, ..."

So stop with your propagandizing bullshit Rocco.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinians?

Who Are The Palestinians?

Take your pick. Hamas terrorists or the PA terrorists?

Hamas blames Palestinian Authority for Gaza violence - Yahoo News

 

[Challenger]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

 

[MJB12741]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

When did Israel's land since antiquity become this "Arab land" you refer to? Or do you believe there was no Israel until 1948?

 

[montelatici]

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The owners of the land were the indigenous Christian,Muslim and Jewish Arab home owners and land owners (a very small minority of indigenous Arab Jews lived in Palestine too). Just as this 1896 documentary confirms.

Proves no such thing, but the Ottoman census does prove that the Jews outnumbered the arab muslims and Christians in Palestine. Here are the figures for Jerusalem alone


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm


Nearly 6 times the numbers of Jews to arab muslims

So the numbers you produce must include ILLEGAL ARAB MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS
And even in 1948 before the expulsion of indigenous Jews from Palestine there were 3 times as many Jews as there was arab muslims.

You are such an idiot. The population you are quoting is for Jerusalem alone. Not Palestine. LOL

The official numbers for Palestine are as reported by the British. The only illegal or legal immigrants were European Jews they represented 90% of the migrants.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You just cut'n'pasted excerpts from a (very poorly written) Encyclopedia Britannica entry. And this does not answer the question.

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

(COMMENT)

But as the Encyclopedia Britannica entry says: "Iraq and Palestine (including modernJordan and Israel) were assigned to Great Britain, while Turkish-ruled Syria and Lebanon went to France."

(TO THE QUESTION) = So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

• "Who were the legal land owners?"
  • ANSWER: The indigenous population.
• "Who had the legal right under International law?"
  • ANSWER: The legal sovereign authority --- the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey (successor government to the Ottoman) relinquished their authority in favor of the Allied Powers; first by Armitice/Treaty and then two successive Treaties.

The Ottoman/Turkish Empire maintained the sovereignty of the region until it surrendered that authority (in two parts) to the Allied Powers: (From your source!)

FIRST: Encyclopedia Britannica Entry Link

Armistice of Mudros, (Oct. 30, 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, (abroad the HMS Agamemnon) on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.​

SECOND:

Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.

Treaty of Lausanne, (1923), final treaty concluding World War I. It was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain,France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference.

The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese. The Allies dropped their demands of autonomy for Turkish Kurdistan and Turkish cession of territory to Armenia, abandoned claims to spheres of influence in Turkey, and imposed no controls over Turkey’s finances or armed forces. The Turkish straits between the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea were declared open to all shipping.

ARTICLE 16. Treaty of Lausanne JULY 24, 1923

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

Without regard to what you've been told, this sequence of events sets the legitimate authority and control of the region in the hands of the Allied Powers; and NOT in the hands of any particular group of Arab Land owners. Land ownership, as the question implies, has no impact on at all on territorial sovereignty.

Once the Class "A" Mandate instruments were in place, the associated Mandatories became the government for the territory. Representatives of the victorious Allies in World War I meet in San Remo, Italy from April 19-26, 1920. The focus of the conference is the future status of former Ottoman Empire territories in the Middle East. The same day that the resolution is passed (Conference of San Remo), British Prime Minister David Lloyd George asks Samuel to become the first High Commissioner of Palestine. Samuel will govern as Britain’s highest official in Palestine until 1925.

It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Perhaps this will respond to your post better than a few simple soundbites.

 

[montelatici]

But the land was lost by the Christians to the Muslims. What do European Jews have to do with it?

Ottoman muslims, not arab muslims. The later lost the claim to the land in 1099 and have not managed to reclaim it since. The Ottoman muslims lost the land to the LoN who gave the land to the worlds Jews, and in the process made it International law. So the arab muslims are actually in breach of International law AGAIN by claiming ownership of the land, and trying to use recent laws to overturn International law retrospectively.

So by what law are the arab muslims claiming ownership of Palestine over the Jewish rights under International law.

No, the Christians did not lose the lands to the Ottomans you dimwit. Shows what ignorant ass you are. The Christians and Muslims claimed ownership of Palestine by being the indigenous people, the overwhelming majority (before subsequent invasions) and by owning almost all the land in Palestine, over 85% of it.

Furthermore, the UN itself was in breach of International law when it breached Articles 55 and 73 of the Charter of the U.N. when it did not respect the racial (ethnic) and religious rights of the Christians and Muslims forcing them to submit to Jewish European rule.

Article 55
"With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

1. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
2. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
3. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.

Article 73
Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:

1. to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;"

Obviously the UN did not force the UK (as it should have by the Charter) "to promote the well-being of of the Inhabitants (Christian and Muslim. ed.) or "to ensure with due respect for culture" of the Christian and Muslim Arabs"

Charter of the United Nations Chapter XI Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

Keep trying Abdul one day you might get it right, and the Jews and Christiains were always persecuted by the Muslims

The UN was not even formed when the LoN ( not the UK or Britain ) created the space for the National home of the Jews on just 2% of the land after giving 98% to the arab muslims.

Arab muslims were driven out in 1099 leaving the Christians and the Jews in Palestine, then the Ottomans took over after beating the Crusaders. The arab muslims had no control of the land since 1099 and in 1917 the Ottomans lost control.

The UN charter did not exist in 1922 when the treaty giving the land to the worlds Jews was ratified and signed, so you can retrospectively bring it into force. Nor can a UN resolution breach International law so you can forget the UN charter until the arab muslims decide to abide by it.

The Treaty in 1922 specifically did not give land to the Jews to create a separate state, as the British reinforced this fact in a subsequent letter to the Zionist Organization. So please cut the bullshit.

• • 
    The Colonial Office to the Zionist Organisation.

DOWNING STREET,
3rd June, 1922.


"The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned, are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917. Unauthorised statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine...................it has been observed with satisfaction that at the meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organisation, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of the peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organisation in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the Organisation may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its Government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status."

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

Not an official document that went into law, it was never acted on and so is worthless as evidence of anything.

The Mandate for Palestine set in stone and International law the following

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country


Article 1
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

Article 2
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 3
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

Article 4
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist Organisation, so long as its organisation and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 5
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.

Article 6
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

No. 5.

• • 
    The Colonial Office to the Zionist Organisation.

DOWNING STREET,
3rd June, 1922.


"Unauthorised statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine"

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You just cut'n'pasted excerpts from a (very poorly written) Encyclopedia Britannica entry. And this does not answer the question.

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

(COMMENT)

But as the Encyclopedia Britannica entry says: "Iraq and Palestine (including modernJordan and Israel) were assigned to Great Britain, while Turkish-ruled Syria and Lebanon went to France."

(TO THE QUESTION) = So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

• "Who were the legal land owners?"
  • ANSWER: The indigenous population.
• "Who had the legal right under International law?"
  • ANSWER: The legal sovereign authority --- the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey (successor government to the Ottoman) relinquished their authority in favor of the Allied Powers; first by Armitice/Treaty and then two successive Treaties.

The Ottoman/Turkish Empire maintained the sovereignty of the region until it surrendered that authority (in two parts) to the Allied Powers: (From your source!)

FIRST: Encyclopedia Britannica Entry Link

Armistice of Mudros, (Oct. 30, 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, (abroad the HMS Agamemnon) on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.​

SECOND:

Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.

Treaty of Lausanne, (1923), final treaty concluding World War I. It was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain,France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference.

The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese. The Allies dropped their demands of autonomy for Turkish Kurdistan and Turkish cession of territory to Armenia, abandoned claims to spheres of influence in Turkey, and imposed no controls over Turkey’s finances or armed forces. The Turkish straits between the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea were declared open to all shipping.

ARTICLE 16. Treaty of Lausanne JULY 24, 1923

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

Without regard to what you've been told, this sequence of events sets the legitimate authority and control of the region in the hands of the Allied Powers; and NOT in the hands of any particular group of Arab Land owners. Land ownership, as the question implies, has no impact on at all on territorial sovereignty.

Once the Class "A" Mandate instruments were in place, the associated Mandatories became the government for the territory. Representatives of the victorious Allies in World War I meet in San Remo, Italy from April 19-26, 1920. The focus of the conference is the future status of former Ottoman Empire territories in the Middle East. The same day that the resolution is passed (Conference of San Remo), British Prime Minister David Lloyd George asks Samuel to become the first High Commissioner of Palestine. Samuel will govern as Britain’s highest official in Palestine until 1925.

It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.​

Most Respectfully,
R

"It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process."

Absolute bullshit from a liar, as proven in official correspondence between the Palestine Delegation and the Colonial Office (Churchill). Where the Palestinians (Christian and Muslims) pleaded for the acceptance of a constitution and their independence to the British. To wit:

PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine........"If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration....
For these reasons we find that no useful purpose would be served by discussing in detail the draft of "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The Delegation requests that the constitution for Palestine should—

• 
  
  
  • 
    (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
    (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
    
    (3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.
    
    (4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.
    
    (5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.
    
    (6) Guarantee the rights of the Assisting Power.

The British answer:

"—Mr. Churchill has already explained in paragraph 4 of this letter why His Majesty's Government are not prepared at the present stage to provide for the creation of a national independent Government in Palestine, ..."

So stop with your propagandizing bullshit Rocco.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

And if you read your cut and paste you will see that the arab muslims from outside the area decided what would be done for the arab muslim illegal immigrants. And if you look at the subsequent history you will find that the arab muslims repeatedly denied the following to the Jews and Christians

(1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.

(3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.

(4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.

(5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.


Like you they just want to have everything and take by force what is not theirs, and in this case they have lost badly 5 times

 

[montelatici]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

 

[Phoenall]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You just cut'n'pasted excerpts from a (very poorly written) Encyclopedia Britannica entry. And this does not answer the question.

So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

The mandate system was a compromise between the Allies’ wish to retain the former German and Turkish colonies and their pre-Armistice declaration (November 5, 1918) that annexation of territory was not their aim in the war. The mandates were divided into three groups on the basis of their location and their level of political and economic development and were then assigned to individual Allied victors (mandatory powers, or mandatories). Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. These territories were considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone.

mandate League of Nations Encyclopedia Britannica


Following WWI, the League of Nations established a system of "Mandates." In theory, the Mandate system had the benevolent intention of preparing the "natives" of various regions for self government.

The League of Nations Mandate Provision​

The League of Nations Covenant regularly mention the people. That the inhabitants would be the beneficiaries of the actions of the Mandates and that they would stand alone as independent states.

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But as the Encyclopedia Britannica entry says: "Iraq and Palestine (including modernJordan and Israel) were assigned to Great Britain, while Turkish-ruled Syria and Lebanon went to France."

(TO THE QUESTION) = So who were the legal land owners at the time the Jews migrated to Palestine and had the legal right under International law at the time to give the land to anyone they so wished ?

• "Who were the legal land owners?"
  • ANSWER: The indigenous population.
• "Who had the legal right under International law?"
  • ANSWER: The legal sovereign authority --- the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey (successor government to the Ottoman) relinquished their authority in favor of the Allied Powers; first by Armitice/Treaty and then two successive Treaties.

The Ottoman/Turkish Empire maintained the sovereignty of the region until it surrendered that authority (in two parts) to the Allied Powers: (From your source!)

FIRST: Encyclopedia Britannica Entry Link

Armistice of Mudros, (Oct. 30, 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, (abroad the HMS Agamemnon) on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.​

SECOND:

Treaty of Sèvres, (Aug. 10, 1920), post-World War I pact between the victorious Allied powers and representatives of the government of Ottoman Turkey. The treaty abolished the Ottoman Empire and obliged Turkey to renounce all rights over Arab Asia and North Africa. The pact also provided for an independent Armenia, for an autonomous Kurdistan, and for a Greek presence in eastern Thrace and on the Anatolian west coast, as well as Greek control over the Aegean islands commanding the Dardanelles. Rejected by the new Turkish nationalist regime, the Treaty of Sèvres was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.

Treaty of Lausanne, (1923), final treaty concluding World War I. It was signed by representatives of Turkey (successor to the Ottoman Empire) on one side and by Britain,France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) on the other. The treaty was signed at Lausanne, Switz., on July 24, 1923, after a seven-month conference.

The treaty recognized the boundaries of the modern state of Turkey. Turkey made no claim to its former Arab provinces and recognized Cyprus and Italian possession of the Dodecanese. The Allies dropped their demands of autonomy for Turkish Kurdistan and Turkish cession of territory to Armenia, abandoned claims to spheres of influence in Turkey, and imposed no controls over Turkey’s finances or armed forces. The Turkish straits between the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea were declared open to all shipping.

ARTICLE 16. Treaty of Lausanne JULY 24, 1923

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
​

Without regard to what you've been told, this sequence of events sets the legitimate authority and control of the region in the hands of the Allied Powers; and NOT in the hands of any particular group of Arab Land owners. Land ownership, as the question implies, has no impact on at all on territorial sovereignty.

Once the Class "A" Mandate instruments were in place, the associated Mandatories became the government for the territory. Representatives of the victorious Allies in World War I meet in San Remo, Italy from April 19-26, 1920. The focus of the conference is the future status of former Ottoman Empire territories in the Middle East. The same day that the resolution is passed (Conference of San Remo), British Prime Minister David Lloyd George asks Samuel to become the first High Commissioner of Palestine. Samuel will govern as Britain’s highest official in Palestine until 1925.

It should be noted that between 1920 and 1923, the High Commissioner of Palestine attempted to entice the indigenous Arab into the self-government process.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Perhaps this will respond to your post better than a few simple soundbites.

Means absolutely nothing as the British did not call the shots until 1945 when the UN took over. Until then it was the LoN who told the British what to do. It is all spelt out in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, a legal document that ended up as INTERNATIONAL LAW.

 

[Phoenall]

Ottoman muslims, not arab muslims. The later lost the claim to the land in 1099 and have not managed to reclaim it since. The Ottoman muslims lost the land to the LoN who gave the land to the worlds Jews, and in the process made it International law. So the arab muslims are actually in breach of International law AGAIN by claiming ownership of the land, and trying to use recent laws to overturn International law retrospectively.

So by what law are the arab muslims claiming ownership of Palestine over the Jewish rights under International law.

No, the Christians did not lose the lands to the Ottomans you dimwit. Shows what ignorant ass you are. The Christians and Muslims claimed ownership of Palestine by being the indigenous people, the overwhelming majority (before subsequent invasions) and by owning almost all the land in Palestine, over 85% of it.

Furthermore, the UN itself was in breach of International law when it breached Articles 55 and 73 of the Charter of the U.N. when it did not respect the racial (ethnic) and religious rights of the Christians and Muslims forcing them to submit to Jewish European rule.

Article 55
"With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

1. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
2. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
3. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.

Article 73
Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:

1. to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;"

Obviously the UN did not force the UK (as it should have by the Charter) "to promote the well-being of of the Inhabitants (Christian and Muslim. ed.) or "to ensure with due respect for culture" of the Christian and Muslim Arabs"

Charter of the United Nations Chapter XI Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

Keep trying Abdul one day you might get it right, and the Jews and Christiains were always persecuted by the Muslims

The UN was not even formed when the LoN ( not the UK or Britain ) created the space for the National home of the Jews on just 2% of the land after giving 98% to the arab muslims.

Arab muslims were driven out in 1099 leaving the Christians and the Jews in Palestine, then the Ottomans took over after beating the Crusaders. The arab muslims had no control of the land since 1099 and in 1917 the Ottomans lost control.

The UN charter did not exist in 1922 when the treaty giving the land to the worlds Jews was ratified and signed, so you can retrospectively bring it into force. Nor can a UN resolution breach International law so you can forget the UN charter until the arab muslims decide to abide by it.

The Treaty in 1922 specifically did not give land to the Jews to create a separate state, as the British reinforced this fact in a subsequent letter to the Zionist Organization. So please cut the bullshit.

• • 
    The Colonial Office to the Zionist Organisation.

DOWNING STREET,
3rd June, 1922.


"The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned, are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917. Unauthorised statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine...................it has been observed with satisfaction that at the meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organisation, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of the peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organisation in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the Organisation may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its Government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status."

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

Not an official document that went into law, it was never acted on and so is worthless as evidence of anything.

The Mandate for Palestine set in stone and International law the following

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country


Article 1
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

Article 2
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 3
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

Article 4
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist Organisation, so long as its organisation and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 5
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.

Article 6
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

No. 5.

• • 
    The Colonial Office to the Zionist Organisation.

DOWNING STREET,
3rd June, 1922.


"Unauthorised statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine"

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

And an arab muslim Palestine was created on 78% of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE land called Trans Jordan.

Have you got it yet the arab muslims received the lions share of the many MANDATES in operation at the time for the M.E. So you can repeat this as many times as you want it wont alter International Law or history, and the Jews/Zionists agreed to the 78/22 split. Now why did your fellow muslims refuse the concession and arbitrary good faith of the Jews/Zionists ?

 

[Challenger]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

He's just trolling.