Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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I don't agree with your assessment. Apparently the rest of the world did not agree at that time either. Were the Palestinians asked if they wanted to cede any land to Jordan?

The Arabs in Palestine were never sovereign over any territory to cede. You could argue (and you do) that they wanted sovereignty. You could argue (and you do) that they had some sort of right to sovereignty. But arguing that they HAD actual sovereignty is simply incorrect.

The Arab Palestinians never had a government which had any sovereign control over any part of the territory (until Oslo).

Indeed, I think Palestine is the only country in the world that has been occupied its whole life.

That does not negate their rights though,

 

[Hollie]

I don't agree with your assessment. Apparently the rest of the world did not agree at that time either. Were the Palestinians asked if they wanted to cede any land to Jordan?

The Arabs in Palestine were never sovereign over any territory to cede. You could argue (and you do) that they wanted sovereignty. You could argue (and you do) that they had some sort of right to sovereignty. But arguing that they HAD actual sovereignty is simply incorrect.

The Arab Palestinians never had a government which had any sovereign control over any part of the territory (until Oslo).

Indeed, I think Palestine is the only country in the world that has been occupied its whole life.

That does not negate their rights though,

Pal’istan was never a country.

Terms and definitions have meaning.

That does not negate your right to promote falsehoods, though.

 

[Hollie]

I was looking to counter with a YouTube video regarding Israeli-Arab rights in Gaza.

Nothing to be found.

It seems Gaza is another of those Islamic majority locations made Judenrein by Peaceful Inner Strugglers™

 

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Samah Sabawi

 

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[Hollie]

Another Arab-Moslem Death Cultist and let’s get on with the Jew killing.

 

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[Hollie]

because of my Peaceful Inner Struggler™ Death Cult

 

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[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is why the Arab Palestinians don't want to use the processes for these issues:

The UN Dispute Tribunal

When no resolution through informal means can be arrived at, and when the result of the management evaluation is not to the satisfaction of the staff member, the staff member can file an application to the United Nations Dispute Tribunal (UNDT), as a court of first instance.

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UN Appeals Tribunal

Decisions by the Dispute Tribunal may be appealed, either by staff or the administration, to the United Nations Appeals Tribunal (UNAT). The Statute of the UNAT allow for appeals in cases where it is alleged that the UNDT has either exceeded its jurisdiction or failed to exercise it; or that it has erred on question of fact or law or procedure. The UNAT is also competent to hear cases filed by other entities subject to special agreement with the Secretary General.

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I did notice that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) run for the hills whenever an independent, transparent (outside the influence of Arab Palestinian coercion), professionalized, system of administration of justice under international law and the principles of the rule of law.

I don't agree with your assessment. Apparently the rest of the world did not agree at that time either.

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Yet, here were are, three wars later, more than a half century later, and the HoAP are still crying that they they are the poor and downtrodden, treated unfairly, with the right to indiscriminately hunt and kill as many Israelis that they can. The Arab Palestinians have continuously and incessantly pouted about the security barrier that served to mitigate HoAP criminal activities. Crying still more that HoAP efforts in murder and kidnapping, suicide attack, hijacking and bombings, gunning down bus loads of men - women - and - children, the indiscriminate firing of thousands of rockets and mortars, have been yet unsuccessful for more than 70 years to achieve by force what they could not achieve through exercising the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; or, settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

Of course the standard comment and return rhetoric is that the Israelis (not mentioning the aforementioned provocations) have done many times worse (not that the HoAP didn't compare for a lack of trying).

The HoAP whining has not really changed since the Arab Higher Committee issued their threat in February 1948. Yes a few choruses were added, but essentially the HoAP has been repeating the same the threats and using various conflict tactics against the territorial integrity and political independence for seven decades.

Were the Palestinians asked if they wanted to cede any land to Jordan?

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Almost every time this question is asked, those HoAP Hardliners always conter with something like, these aren't the right kind of Palestinians, or there is a fault in the process. This is not to mention that the Arab Palestinians were not coordinated enough to accomplish even the simplest of diplomatic of Political task.

[LINK The Tragedy of Palestine]
"As a result of the war, many Palestinian Arabs from the Jordanian-controlled areas found that union with Jordan was of vital importance to the preservation of Arab control over the “West Bank” territories which had not fallen to the Israelis. Consequently, in December 1948, a group of Palestinian leaders and notables from the West Bank convened a historic conference in Jericho, where they called for King Abdullah to take immediate steps to unite the two banks of the Jordan into a single state under his leadership.

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.

"The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan now included nearly one and a half million people, more than half a million of whom were refugees evicted from Jewish-occupied Palestine. All automatically became citizens of Jordan, a right that had first been offered in December 1949 to all Palestinians who wished to claim it. Although the Arab League opposed this plan, and no other Arab government followed Jordan’s lead, the Hashemite Kingdom offered the possibility of normal life for many people who would have otherwise remained stateless refugees."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

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Of course the standard comment and return rhetoric is that the Israelis (not mentioning the aforementioned provocations) have done many times worse (not that the HoAP didn't compare for a lack of trying).

Israeli settler colonialism is the provocation.

 

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Leila Sansour and the heart breaking story of "Open Bethlehem"

 

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Linda Sarsour | Race in the U.S. | A free public course at The New School

 

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