Where Is the Outcry from "Peaceful" Muslims?

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    Muslim Violence
    By Jeff Jacoby, The Boston Globe
    September 20, 2006

    AS SHE LAY dying in a Mogadishu hospital, Sister Leonella forgave her killers. She had lived in Africa for almost four decades and could speak fluent Somali, but her last words were murmured in Italian, her mother tongue. ``Perdono, perdono," she whispered. I forgive, I forgive.

    She was 65 and had devoted her life to the care of sick mothers and children. She was on her way to meet three other nuns for lunch on Sunday when two gunmen shot her several times in the back. "Her slaying was not a random attack," the Associated Press reported. It "raised concerns" that she was the latest victim of "growing Islamic radicalism in the country."

    Raised concerns? Sister Leonella was gunned down less than two days after a prominent Somali cleric had called on Muslims to kill Pope Benedict XVI for his remarks about Islam in a scholarly lecture last week.

    "We urge you, Muslims, wherever you are to hunt down the pope for his barbaric statements," Sheik Abubukar Hassan Malin had exhorted worshippers during evening prayers at a Mogadishu mosque. "Whoever offends our prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim." Sister Leonella was not the pope, but she was presumably close enough for purposes of the local jihadists.

    If it weren't so sickening, it would be farcical: A line in the pope's speech suggests that Islam has a dark history of violence, and offended Muslims vent their displeasure by howling for his death, firebombing churches, and attacking innocent Christians. One of the points Benedict made in his speech at the University of Regensburg was that religious faith untethered by reason can lead to savagery. The mobs denouncing him could hardly have done a better job of proving him right.

    In his lecture, Benedict quoted the late Byzantine emperor Manuel II, who had condemned Islam's militancy with these words: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

    In the ensuing uproar, British Muslims demonstrated outside Westminster Cathedral with signs reading "Pope go to Hell" and "Islam will conquer Rome," while the head of the Society of Muslim Lawyers declared that the pope must be "subject to capital punishment." In Iraq, the radical Mujahideen's Army vowed to "smash the crosses in the house of the dog from Rome" and the Mujahideen Shura Council swore to "continue our jihad and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks." Arsonists in the West Bank set churches on fire, and a group calling itself "The Sword of Islam" issued a warning: "If the pope does not appear on TV and apologize for his comments, we will blow up all of Gaza's churches."

    In fact, the pope did apologize, more than once. Whether the studied frenzy will now subside remains to be seen. But it's only a matter of time until the next one erupts.

    This time it was a 14th-century quote from a Byzantine ruler that set off -- or rather, was exploited by Islamist firebrands to ignite -- the international demonstrations, death threats, and violence. Earlier this year it was cartoons about Mohammed in a Danish newspaper. Last year it was a Newsweek report, later debunked, that a Koran had been descecrated by a US interrogator in Guantanamo. Before that it was Jerry Falwell's comment on "60Minutes" that Mohammed was a "terrorist." Back in 1989 it was the publication of Salman Rushdie's satirical novel, The Satanic Verses.

    In every case, the pretext for the Muslim rage was the claim that Islam had been insulted. Freedom of speech was irrelevant: While the rioters and those inciting them routinely insult Christianity, Judaism, and other religions, they demand that no one be allowed to denigrate Islam or its prophet. It is a staggering double standard, and too many in the West seem willing to go along with it. Witness the editorials in US newspapers this week scolding the pope for his speech. Recall the State Department's condemnation of the Danish cartoons last winter.

    Of course nobody's faith should be gratuitously affronted. But the real insult to Islam is not a line from a papal speech or a cartoon about Mohammed. It is the violence, terror, and bloodshed that Islamist fanatics unleash in the name of their religion -- and the unwillingness of most of the world's Muslims to say or do anything to stop them.
     
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    their lunatic brethren. Islam was spread through violence and death and knows no other method to express itself. It is a religion of death and that is exactly the conditon where this Christian would like to see Islam... dead.
     
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    AMEN! I'll second that. The more I learn about Islam, the more I think it is a satanic cult instead of a "peaceful" religion.
     
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    Being a Christian my first inclination is to follow Jesus' teaching and turn the other cheek. But do that with these folks and they'll decapitiate you. Also, being a Christian, I believe that no other prophet would follow Christ. I'm tired of playing nice. I believe Islam is a bastard religion whose founder had delusional insanity based visions in a cave and wrote down the same. Later, after having gained some power, he further, "extended" his visions.


    Islam is a lie pure and simple.

    At the age of thirty-five, Mohammed began taking retreats to a cave in Mount Hiraa', in the desert hills outside Mecca, to meditate in solitude. It was during one of these retreats that Mohammed received his Call. It was the year 610 e.v., one of the last ten nights of the month of Ramadan; and at that time, Ramadan occurred during the hottest part of the summer. He was sitting alone in his cave in the darkness.

    The guy was a lunatic. His vision a lie. His book a forgery of his insanity.
     
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    Intresting enough, if I swap the words "christian" and "islam" in this post I get about the same sort of message and equally accurate too. Isn't this what we all fight against?

    Wouldn't this fit more under War for terror?
     
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    Ah no Erik it doesn't swap. Islamists would be the ones killing people in the name of their religion now wouldn't they? Say it with me now VERY SLOWLY "The Muslims are the ones killing people and commiting acts of violence in the name of their religion NOT CHRISTIANS".

    And don't give me that hooey about how during the Crusades Christians killed for their religion. Remember that was 800-1000 yeasrs ago. We are discussing current events. You may now return your mind to its upright position.
     
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    Exactly, it wasn't even true back then!
     
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    Wait, I must of missed something.

    To my figuring there is NO SUCH THING as a non-violent Muslim.

    Have I missed something?

    I'd sure like to meet one, and I don't mean one of these fair weather types, that the MSM holds up for display ever so often.

    I'll tell ya straight up, when it comes to Muslim's, its a brotherhood of violence, and should be dealt with as such, period.

    Take it from one who knows, there is no other way.
     
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    I'm not a Christian. I'm an atheist with a little a. All religious people are stupid. Including you. You also believe a lie. The lie you believe just happens to be less dangerous to unbelievers.

    Islam is far worse than Christianity. Muhammad wasn't insane. He was a very smart guy who looked at this new religion called Christianity and he decided that he could do the same thing. Why not? If people were dumb enough to believe God sent His Son to Earth to be tortured and killed in His name, they'd believe pretty much anything, wouldn't they? He proved they would.

    It's not at all surprising that Islam now claims almost a billion and a half followers. Islam is a political philosphy and a way of life that allows a Muslim man to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whoever he wants, as long as he can say it is in defense of Islam. And EVERYTHING is in defense of Islam. Islam permeates every aspect of a Muslim's llife from the moment he wakes up in the morning to the second he goes to bed at night. It tells them what they can and cannot eat, when and with whom they have sex, how many times a day and exactly how they pray. Between the Koran and the Hadiths, there is not a single aspect of daily life that isn't covered, and that doesn't allow a Muslim to do exactly what they want to do.

    There is not a single rule in Islam that doesn't have an exception or a qualifier that allows a Muslim to do exactly what he wants to do and still justify it. Even the 5 Pillars have "outs". Except for the one that makes a Muslim a Muslim, and they only have to say that one once, there is not a single rule that has to be followed for reasons as simple as not wanting to.

    Oh, Muhammad knew exactly what he was doing. He knew human nature very well.
     
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