Where Do Conservative Christians Go From Here?

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    Cal Thomas writes the best post-election column yet; addressing where conservative Christians can take ourselves in the coming years.

     
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    Well one thing I have been pondering for a while now is how did I become a conservative? Or maybe my cautious value system? I was locked up at age 12 in a home for troubled kids and at the time it was the closest thing to prison for kids. So I wasn't a model kid locked up and I had a value system that reflected conservative views long before I understood such a thing. What I can't understand is how there is such a term or idealism as a democratic person that is for the government, yet will raise the taxes and go completely against there earlier claim of wanting government involvement? Damn that seems backwards. Then we add Christianity into the mix and say conservatives are these vile things and use God every other word? Excuse me WTF are you talking about that? Made as much sense as the Christian Liberal? Yeah that is a stretch of the word truth. What I'll claim for me is that neither liberal nor conservative side does well in all areas and my faith now has nothing to do with it with regards to politics. But my values do and when values in our current society are in question then I lean on my faith. I believe that if these so-called over the top liberals could read and understand and fully look at the Bible then it would be crystal clear that many of these things they favor are not ethically right nor morally either. But from here I guess I could crap in one hand and wish in the other? And I'd have about the same success we are about to have, because either way it's gonna be a mud sligging mess:)
     
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    Christian conservatives need to widely EDUCATE the public the big difference between a Conservative Christian (maybe we need a new label for starters) and the insidious Liberal Social Progressive Democrat/Republicrat. We need to VOCALIZE why America is the light of the world....because it is based upon basic Christian values. Individual rights and individual responsibility need to be emphasized as opposed to "group rights" and "social responsibility" in order to stop the slide into socialism. Christianity has nothing to do with real socialism, even though socialism may seem like a "do gooder" philosophy.

    A conservative Christian represents the original people who came to America. He wants freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right to carry a gun to protect himself, as well as individual property rights, and the right to make a living by his own hand. He wants to be beholden to no man, but only to his God and to be King of his own castle. He believes in equality of opportunity. He is responsible for himself and his family and for living in harmony with his neighbors and for serving his country when needed. His American rights are bestowed originally from God and are expressed in the American Constitution. He is ultimately responsible only to God and therefore is a man of good character in both his personal and public life.

    A Social Progressive has the current European mindset which has become ravaged by socialism. He wants the State to run things and to take care of him. He wants the State to be responsible for everyman instead of each man being responsible for himself. God comes to have no real say in his life because the State essentially replaces God's rules and makes new rules for him to follow. Values become relative. He is no longer bears true responsibility for his own life. He believes in the promised equality of outcome. The State picks up all responsibility and thus assumes the right to run the lives of everyman from cradle to grave. Although socialism has been a proven to be a failed ideology, he is seduced by the generous promises and thus is willing to give up his individual power and freedoms in order to attain this supposed nirvana on earth.

    Christian Americans (that's most of us) need to take back our schools from the sick grip of liberal socialism which is poisoning our childrens' minds, cap off the sewer pipes coming into our lives via various forms of the media which also are poisoning our childrens' minds, support our churches to spread the Word, and elect better representatives from our local government on up. It's time for grassroots efforts to take our country back from those who would change our American democracy into a corrupt socialist state.
     
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    After the Dims win big in the next election, the conservative Christians can all move to Texas and we'll seceed from the union. We are the only state that can legally seceed if we wish.
     
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    This Ex-Texan ain't coming back, ya'll are way to liberal now used to be proud of my old home state but the last time I was out there I thought I was in California and everyone had a twang in there talk.......Sorry.
     
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    If American Christians had the power to do any of this, it would not have become necessary for them to do any of this.

    True Christians are rare in America. Sure, we have plenty of churches and plenty of preachers, but no one is a legitimate Christian merely on their own say-so. There is no single definition of Christian that all self-proclaimed Christians agree on. The same goes for Christian behavior.

    Christians should get their own house in order before they even attempt to take back the country.
     
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    What gives Texas the right to legally secede from the nation? I know that when Texas was admitted to the Union, the first time, the law that admitted Texas gave the state the right to divide itself into multiple states (Houston saw the Civil War and secession coming and he wanted to be able to reserve part of Texas as a free state for himself), but I have never heard that Texas could legally leave the Union. Also, I am not aware that the law or act of Congress that re-admitted Texas after the rebellion included any of the provisions of the original admission law.
     
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    Thats a good point, it may of been changed after the civil war. But they did enter the union with two stipulations - being able to seceed from the Union and able to fly the Texas flag on top of buildings alone without a Stars n Stripes above it.
    To this day Texas is the only state that can fly their flag in such a manner.
     
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    Conservative Christians did not lose the elections to Social Progressives. They lost the election because many policies of today's Republican leadership do not resemble actual conservatism and there is barely a hint of Christian values in the actions taken by our Republican White House. Talk is cheap, you can say God a dozen times in your speech, but that hardly matters if you support the slaughter of innocent Iraqis and American troops.

    On top of that, the Christian right has been smeared by scandal. If Conservative Christians had carried themselves in a more conservative christian manner, congress would still be in Republican hands. Instead, they alienated the average American by adopting neoconservative values, violating laws, and engaging in illicit behavior.

    It is disgusting to see so many men use religion as a ladder to success. I think a true believer would be far more humble than men like Bill Frist--promoting himself with political speeches inside of Churches. I was taught that a Church was the house of God, a place where Earthly matters are too insignificant to be breached. Oh well, Protestants are a strange bunch.
     
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    who the heck are you to tell others they arent true Christians? My bet is there are lots of true Christians out there.
     
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