When there's "nothing going on"...

[Phoenall]

Prior to the 1948 War of Independence, the HoAP were the armed opposition opponents in a civil war with the Jewish citizenry; opposing Jewish independence pursuant to UN Guidance and endorsement.

Factually inaccurate, the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon.

WRONG they took over the MANDATE from the LoN in 1945 and the UN accepted the terms of the MANDATE. They acted outside of their authority when they partitioned Jewish Palestine to appease the arab muslims, they should have dictated the terms to the arab muslims and enforced them with a task force. That is the only thing they understand

So you are saying that the UN did not take over the Mandate of Palestine in 1945

 

[Phoenall]

The first rocket to be fired from Gaza in 4 months was launched on 23rd of April 2015. Zionist Israel "retaliated" with air raids on Gaza; no one was hurt on either side. Zionist Israel however used the excuse to close the border crossings into Gaza. Israeli army strikes targets in Gaza after rocket fired toward Israel - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News Haaretz

"Damn those evil Palestinians, breaking the ceasfire agreement by firing a rocket into poor tiny Israel who were "forced" to "retaliate" in "self defence", I suspect the stories will run in the media. What is never reported, however, is what goes on when there's nothing going on. Well before that rocket was launched here's a record of IDF activity in 2015:
02 January Open fire on bird-hunters near Khan Yunis - No injuries
02 January Open fire on demonstrators near Jabaliya - 1 injured
03 January Shooting at fishermen - 1 injured
03 January Incursion near Beit Lahiya, raze land, gunfire - No injuries
14 January Open fire on farmers near Khan Yunis - No injuries
15 January Open fire on farmers near Khan Yunis - No injuries
15 January 1 Palestinian arrested at Erez Crossing
16 January Open fire in north - 1 injured
19 January Open fire on fishermen - No injuries
21 January Open fire on fishermen - 1 injured
25 January Open fire on homes near Khan Yunis - No injuries
26 January Open fire on fishermen, one boat sank, 4 arrested (released after 2 days, 10 arrested in Jan)
27 January Open fire on lands near Khan Yunis - No injuries
28 January Open fire on fields near Khan Yunis - No injuries
29 January Open fire on fishermen - No injuries
31 January Open fire on fishermen - No injuries

01 February Open fire on protesters near fence - No injuries
02 February Open fire on fishermen, damage to one boat - No injuries
03 February Open fire on farmers in central Gaza Strip - No injuries
09 February Open fire on protest near Gaza City - No injuries
09 February Incursion, raze land - No injuries
10 February 1 Palestinian arrested at Erez Crossing
13 February Open fire on farmers and homes near Khan Younis - damage but no injuries
13 February Open fire on farmers again - No injuries
17 February Open fire at farmers - No injuries
18 February Open fire at farmers in central Gaza Strip - No injuries
22 February Open fire at farmers - No injuries
24 February Open fire on farmers - No injuries
24 February Open fire on fishermen - No injuries
25 February Open fire on farmers - No injuries
28 February Arrest 2 on border (26 arrested entering illegally looking for work since start of 2015)
28 February Open fire on fishermen - No injuries

02 March Open fire on fishermen - No injuries
04 March Open fire on fishermen, damage one boat - No injuries
05 March Open fire on fishermen, 3 arrested - 2 injuries
06 March Open fire on Palestinians on agricultural lands - No injuries
07 March Open fire on fishermen - 2 arrested, 1 killed
10 March Open fire on shore - No injuries
10 March Open fire on farmers - No injuries
11 March Incursion to level land in central Gaza, shots fired - No injuries
12 March Open fire on Palestinians near Khan Yunis - No injuries
13 March Open fire on lands - No injuries
15 March Open fire on farmers near Khan Younis - No injuries
15 March 1 Palestinian arrested at Erez Crossing
17 March Open fire on farmers near Gaza City - No injuries
17 March Open fire on agricultural worker's car - damage - No injuries
18 March Open fire on farmers near al-Bureij r.c. - No injuries
18 March Open fire on farmers near Khuzaa - No injuries
18 March Incursion in northern Gaza - No injuries
19 March Incursion to level land near Rafah - No injuries
19 March Open fire on fishermen - one boat damaged - No injuries
20 March Open fire on Palestinians near Khan Younis - injured 2
21 March Open fire on fishermen - No injuries
27 March Open fire on agricultural lands near Khan Yunis - No injuries
27 March Open fire on agricultural lands near Rafah - No injuries
27 March fired tear gas at Palestinians near Khan Younis - 3 injuries
29 March Open fire on protesters near Khan Yunis - No injuries
30 March Open fire on Palestinians near Khan Yunis - 2 injuries
30 March Open fire on Palestinians near Khan Yunis - 1 injury
31 March 3 Palestinians arrested at Erez Crossing

The arab muslims know the rules and still insist on breaking them. If Israel does not respond then they see it as a sign of weakness and escalate the infractions until full scale war breaks out and another 2,000 Palestinian terrorist militia get killed. The simple answer is to stick to the rules and there will be no corresponding action, if you and the arab muslims cant understand this then it is to late to save you.

RULES OF OCCUPATION.....sorry but to abide by them gives Israel legitimacy and Israel have NO CREDIBILITY,THEY ARE JUST AN OCCUPYING ILLIGITIMATE FORCE

How about a link showing this from a non partisan source

 

[Phoenall]

The first rocket to be fired from Gaza in 4 months was launched on 23rd of April 2015. Zionist Israel "retaliated" with air raids on Gaza; no one was hurt on either side...
"Damn those evil Palestinians, breaking the ceasfire agreement by firing a rocket into poor tiny Israel who were "forced" to "retaliate" in "self defence", I suspect the stories will run in the media. What is never reported, however, is what goes on when there's nothing going on.

Nothing going on you say?
From January 2015 until April 26, 172 attacks against the Jerusalem Border Police and SWAT teams were recorded. 148 Molotov cocktails and 15 explosive devices have been thrown at Border Police, 1 shooting incident, 4 stabbing attempts or attacks and 4 "car rampage" attacks have been launched. Many policemen have been injured in these clashes.

So 344 arab muslim attacks on Israeli's are not breaches of the cease fire agreement according to challenged, but arresting an illegal immigrant is. He needs to get some help for his condition, the doctors might put him on proper meds and not on the stuff he buys at festivals.

See post #20 Also attacks against the Occupying forces in the West Bank, have nothing to do with the Gaza ceasfire agreement.

Nice of you to admit that the problems lie with hamas, and they are the ones making the people homeless

LEAVE PALESTINians TO THEMSELVES AND ALL WILL BE FINE...PALESTINIANS believe it or NOT,DON"T NEED ISRAELIS AT ALL.

YOU DO as the Jews are the original palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

Since the State of Palestine (alla 1988) has not entered into a good faith effort in reconciliation and has no recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine; using this as a basis for continued hostile activity, the internationally recognized State of Israel has had little alternative but to establish such measures as necessary to protect its citizenry and sovereignty from the Islamic Resistance Movement and the supporting Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Again, a matter of interpretation as the state of Palestine is as much recognised internationally as is Zionist Israel, furthermore Zionist Israel has not recognised Palestine and occupies and controls Palestinian territory, de facto denying Palestinians their right of self-determination. Palestinian acts of resistance are legitimate, unlike Zionist attempts at collective punishment and reprisal.

Can you give some specific exampels of Palestinians acts of 'resistance'



You really are a sucker for Palestinian propaganda. Bigtime ! Resistance? hahaha.

See post #17, all those mentioned are legitimate acts of resistance.

No they are terrorism as the targets are civilians

 

[Phoenall]

n any event, even you have to understand that ANY attack by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), against the Israelis (occupation force or civilians unconnected to the IDF) is improper and against International Humanitarian Law (IHL). The HoAP has no special dispensation to conduct any acts of violence against any civilians (Israeli or otherwise) and has not special right to operate against the Occupation Force (Israeli or otherwise).

Incorrect, there is in fact a copus of UN Security council resolutions that allow an occupied people a "special right to operate against the Occupation Force". I'll elaborate later.

Yes and it has to be within certain rules. Targeting children is not one of the rules, nor is firing into the occupying powers civilian areas.

 

[Challenger]

The first rocket to be fired from Gaza in 4 months was launched on 23rd of April 2015. Zionist Israel "retaliated" with air raids on Gaza; no one was hurt on either side...
"Damn those evil Palestinians, breaking the ceasfire agreement by firing a rocket into poor tiny Israel who were "forced" to "retaliate" in "self defence", I suspect the stories will run in the media. What is never reported, however, is what goes on when there's nothing going on.

Nothing going on you say?
From January 2015 until April 26, 172 attacks against the Jerusalem Border Police and SWAT teams were recorded. 148 Molotov cocktails and 15 explosive devices have been thrown at Border Police, 1 shooting incident, 4 stabbing attempts or attacks and 4 "car rampage" attacks have been launched. Many policemen have been injured in these clashes.

All of which are legitimate acts of resistance against an occupying and colonising power. None of these attacks justify the Zionist attacks listed in the OP.

Then bombing the homes of the participants is also legitimate to stop them from attempted murder. The attacks on the Israelis do justify the attacks by the Israel Defence force unless you are so RACIST you don't believe the Jews have the right to defend themselves and should be wiped out.

No it isn't. The occupying power has no right to murder people or to demolish homes in order to prevent attacks against itself. That is collective punishment and a war crime or cime against humanity, depending on the circumstances.

So when where the arrests for these alleged murders made then as I cant find any evidence of any murders....

Probably because you're too intellectually lazy to look.

 

[Challenger]

Since the State of Palestine (alla 1988) has not entered into a good faith effort in reconciliation and has no recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine; using this as a basis for continued hostile activity, the internationally recognized State of Israel has had little alternative but to establish such measures as necessary to protect its citizenry and sovereignty from the Islamic Resistance Movement and the supporting Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Again, a matter of interpretation as the state of Palestine is as much recognised internationally as is Zionist Israel, furthermore Zionist Israel has not recognised Palestine and occupies and controls Palestinian territory, de facto denying Palestinians their right of self-determination. Palestinian acts of resistance are legitimate, unlike Zionist attempts at collective punishment and reprisal.

Read your history and stop posting RACIST LIES. Israel recognised Palestine as far back as 1999 as part of the Oslo accords. No one is stopping the Palestinians from self determination but themselves as they know they will lose all the money they mooch from the world and have to start paying their way. The terrorist attacks on Isrealis is not legitimate and the UN and NGO's have condemned them as such. Only rabid NAZI JEW HATERS don't see it that way and see the Israeli responses as war crimes and/or collective punishment.

No they didn't, the most the Zionists have done so far is to recognise the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, it's not the same thing. A people under occupation or control by another cannot practice self determination.

WHO SAYS ? as Germany managed it in 1945, as did Japan

Boy are you an idiot.
Savage Continent Europe in the Aftermath of World War II Amazon.co.uk Keith Lowe 9780670917464 Books
After the Reich From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift Amazon.co.uk Giles Macdonogh 9780719567667 Books

 

[Challenger]

Prior to the 1948 War of Independence, the HoAP were the armed opposition opponents in a civil war with the Jewish citizenry; opposing Jewish independence pursuant to UN Guidance and endorsement.

Factually inaccurate, the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon.

WRONG they took over the MANDATE from the LoN in 1945 and the UN accepted the terms of the MANDATE. They acted outside of their authority when they partitioned Jewish Palestine to appease the arab muslims, they should have dictated the terms to the arab muslims and enforced them with a task force. That is the only thing they understand

So you are saying that the UN did not take over the Mandate of Palestine in 1945

No. I'm saying, "the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon." OK?

 

[Challenger]

n any event, even you have to understand that ANY attack by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), against the Israelis (occupation force or civilians unconnected to the IDF) is improper and against International Humanitarian Law (IHL). The HoAP has no special dispensation to conduct any acts of violence against any civilians (Israeli or otherwise) and has not special right to operate against the Occupation Force (Israeli or otherwise).

Incorrect, there is in fact a copus of UN Security council resolutions that allow an occupied people a "special right to operate against the Occupation Force". I'll elaborate later.

Yes and it has to be within certain rules. Targeting children is not one of the rules, nor is firing into the occupying powers civilian areas.

The only ones targeting children are the Zionists; they are the only ones capable of targeting their weaponry. The Palestinian Resistance movements just point and hope the crude and unguided weapons hit their targets. If the Zionists use their civillian population as human shields, well....

 

[SAYIT]

...The occupying power has no right to murder people or to demolish homes in order to prevent attacks against itself. That is collective punishment and a war crime or cime against humanity, depending on the circumstances.

Yanno, even much of the Arab World have caught on to Hamas's routine and no longer support it. Maybe it's time you get on board:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html

 

[Penelope]

Its never quiet there, they are either shooting at fishermen, tearing down olive trees, just shooting at Pals for target practice, demolishing homes, and the list goes on, day and night. Also there is the fighting among Orthodox Jews and Zionist, and the Ethiopians jews are not happy either. Israel is one big mess.

 

[Phoenall]

Nothing going on you say?
From January 2015 until April 26, 172 attacks against the Jerusalem Border Police and SWAT teams were recorded. 148 Molotov cocktails and 15 explosive devices have been thrown at Border Police, 1 shooting incident, 4 stabbing attempts or attacks and 4 "car rampage" attacks have been launched. Many policemen have been injured in these clashes.

All of which are legitimate acts of resistance against an occupying and colonising power. None of these attacks justify the Zionist attacks listed in the OP.

Then bombing the homes of the participants is also legitimate to stop them from attempted murder. The attacks on the Israelis do justify the attacks by the Israel Defence force unless you are so RACIST you don't believe the Jews have the right to defend themselves and should be wiped out.

No it isn't. The occupying power has no right to murder people or to demolish homes in order to prevent attacks against itself. That is collective punishment and a war crime or cime against humanity, depending on the circumstances.

So when where the arrests for these alleged murders made then as I cant find any evidence of any murders....

Probably because you're too intellectually lazy to look.

Just as you are then when you keep demanding the same links then.....................


So I ask again as you brought it up when have these murders taken place and why hasn't the ICC/ICJ pressed charges. I have looked and even used a spider to find the answers to your false accusations, and have failed to find one credible link.


Are you just so pig headed that you daren't admit that you LIED and did so out of sheer HATRED for the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

Since the State of Palestine (alla 1988) has not entered into a good faith effort in reconciliation and has no recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine; using this as a basis for continued hostile activity, the internationally recognized State of Israel has had little alternative but to establish such measures as necessary to protect its citizenry and sovereignty from the Islamic Resistance Movement and the supporting Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Again, a matter of interpretation as the state of Palestine is as much recognised internationally as is Zionist Israel, furthermore Zionist Israel has not recognised Palestine and occupies and controls Palestinian territory, de facto denying Palestinians their right of self-determination. Palestinian acts of resistance are legitimate, unlike Zionist attempts at collective punishment and reprisal.

Read your history and stop posting RACIST LIES. Israel recognised Palestine as far back as 1999 as part of the Oslo accords. No one is stopping the Palestinians from self determination but themselves as they know they will lose all the money they mooch from the world and have to start paying their way. The terrorist attacks on Isrealis is not legitimate and the UN and NGO's have condemned them as such. Only rabid NAZI JEW HATERS don't see it that way and see the Israeli responses as war crimes and/or collective punishment.

No they didn't, the most the Zionists have done so far is to recognise the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, it's not the same thing. A people under occupation or control by another cannot practice self determination.

WHO SAYS ? as Germany managed it in 1945, as did Japan

Boy are you an idiot.
Savage Continent Europe in the Aftermath of World War II Amazon.co.uk Keith Lowe 9780670917464 Books
After the Reich From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift Amazon.co.uk Giles Macdonogh 9780719567667 Books

Amazon books again, is that all you have some fictional stories that you cant produce links to other than an internet selling site. Do you work for Amozon by any chance ?

 

[Phoenall]

Prior to the 1948 War of Independence, the HoAP were the armed opposition opponents in a civil war with the Jewish citizenry; opposing Jewish independence pursuant to UN Guidance and endorsement.

Factually inaccurate, the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon.

WRONG they took over the MANDATE from the LoN in 1945 and the UN accepted the terms of the MANDATE. They acted outside of their authority when they partitioned Jewish Palestine to appease the arab muslims, they should have dictated the terms to the arab muslims and enforced them with a task force. That is the only thing they understand

So you are saying that the UN did not take over the Mandate of Palestine in 1945

No. I'm saying, "the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon." OK?

And I am telling you that you are wrong and are spreading disinformation maliciously because the reality does not sit with your JEW HATRED

 

[Challenger]

Again, a matter of interpretation as the state of Palestine is as much recognised internationally as is Zionist Israel, furthermore Zionist Israel has not recognised Palestine and occupies and controls Palestinian territory, de facto denying Palestinians their right of self-determination. Palestinian acts of resistance are legitimate, unlike Zionist attempts at collective punishment and reprisal.

Read your history and stop posting RACIST LIES. Israel recognised Palestine as far back as 1999 as part of the Oslo accords. No one is stopping the Palestinians from self determination but themselves as they know they will lose all the money they mooch from the world and have to start paying their way. The terrorist attacks on Isrealis is not legitimate and the UN and NGO's have condemned them as such. Only rabid NAZI JEW HATERS don't see it that way and see the Israeli responses as war crimes and/or collective punishment.

No they didn't, the most the Zionists have done so far is to recognise the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, it's not the same thing. A people under occupation or control by another cannot practice self determination.

WHO SAYS ? as Germany managed it in 1945, as did Japan

Boy are you an idiot.
Savage Continent Europe in the Aftermath of World War II Amazon.co.uk Keith Lowe 9780670917464 Books
After the Reich From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift Amazon.co.uk Giles Macdonogh 9780719567667 Books

Amazon books again, is that all you have some fictional stories that you cant produce links to other than an internet selling site. Do you work for Amozon by any chance ?

I rest my case, you are a complete idiot.

 

[Challenger]

Factually inaccurate, the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon.

WRONG they took over the MANDATE from the LoN in 1945 and the UN accepted the terms of the MANDATE. They acted outside of their authority when they partitioned Jewish Palestine to appease the arab muslims, they should have dictated the terms to the arab muslims and enforced them with a task force. That is the only thing they understand

So you are saying that the UN did not take over the Mandate of Palestine in 1945

No. I'm saying, "the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon." OK?

And I am telling you that you are wrong and are spreading disinformation maliciously because the reality does not sit with your JEW HATRED

 

[Phoenall]

n any event, even you have to understand that ANY attack by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), against the Israelis (occupation force or civilians unconnected to the IDF) is improper and against International Humanitarian Law (IHL). The HoAP has no special dispensation to conduct any acts of violence against any civilians (Israeli or otherwise) and has not special right to operate against the Occupation Force (Israeli or otherwise).

Incorrect, there is in fact a copus of UN Security council resolutions that allow an occupied people a "special right to operate against the Occupation Force". I'll elaborate later.

Yes and it has to be within certain rules. Targeting children is not one of the rules, nor is firing into the occupying powers civilian areas.

The only ones targeting children are the Zionists; they are the only ones capable of targeting their weaponry. The Palestinian Resistance movements just point and hope the crude and unguided weapons hit their targets. If the Zionists use their civillian population as human shields, well....

Tunnels dug from gaza underneath Israel schools and packed with H.E. are targeting children. Firing anti tank missiles at a school bus is targeting children. kidnapping and murdering boys is targeting children. Firing Iranian made Grad rockets at schools is targeting children. And finally using qassam's is targeting children as they are illegal weapons that can not be targeted and so could just as easily land on a UN school in gaza as a military outpost in Israel.

How about a link to your false claim of Israel using civilians as human shields ?

 

[toastman]

Since the State of Palestine (alla 1988) has not entered into a good faith effort in reconciliation and has no recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine; using this as a basis for continued hostile activity, the internationally recognized State of Israel has had little alternative but to establish such measures as necessary to protect its citizenry and sovereignty from the Islamic Resistance Movement and the supporting Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Again, a matter of interpretation as the state of Palestine is as much recognised internationally as is Zionist Israel, furthermore Zionist Israel has not recognised Palestine and occupies and controls Palestinian territory, de facto denying Palestinians their right of self-determination. Palestinian acts of resistance are legitimate, unlike Zionist attempts at collective punishment and reprisal.

Can you give some specific exampels of Palestinians acts of 'resistance'



You really are a sucker for Palestinian propaganda. Bigtime ! Resistance? hahaha.

See post #17, all those mentioned are legitimate acts of resistance.

Launching rockets indiscriminately is not resisting. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Let me ask you this, how do these acts of 'resistance' lol: ) help the Palestinians ?

 

[Phoenall]

Read your history and stop posting RACIST LIES. Israel recognised Palestine as far back as 1999 as part of the Oslo accords. No one is stopping the Palestinians from self determination but themselves as they know they will lose all the money they mooch from the world and have to start paying their way. The terrorist attacks on Isrealis is not legitimate and the UN and NGO's have condemned them as such. Only rabid NAZI JEW HATERS don't see it that way and see the Israeli responses as war crimes and/or collective punishment.

No they didn't, the most the Zionists have done so far is to recognise the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, it's not the same thing. A people under occupation or control by another cannot practice self determination.

WHO SAYS ? as Germany managed it in 1945, as did Japan

Boy are you an idiot.
Savage Continent Europe in the Aftermath of World War II Amazon.co.uk Keith Lowe 9780670917464 Books
After the Reich From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift Amazon.co.uk Giles Macdonogh 9780719567667 Books

Amazon books again, is that all you have some fictional stories that you cant produce links to other than an internet selling site. Do you work for Amozon by any chance ?

I rest my case, you are a complete idiot.

That would be you, and being a neomarxist stooge compounds your idiocy

 

[Phoenall]

WRONG they took over the MANDATE from the LoN in 1945 and the UN accepted the terms of the MANDATE. They acted outside of their authority when they partitioned Jewish Palestine to appease the arab muslims, they should have dictated the terms to the arab muslims and enforced them with a task force. That is the only thing they understand

So you are saying that the UN did not take over the Mandate of Palestine in 1945

No. I'm saying, "the UN never "endorsed" an independant Israel prior to 1949, and even then under conditions that the Zionist state subsequently reneged upon." OK?

And I am telling you that you are wrong and are spreading disinformation maliciously because the reality does not sit with your JEW HATRED

As I said you are a JEW HATER