When reality simply doesn't matter...

[P@triot]

The Nordic healthcare systems are world's better than what we got here.

And you never go there for healthcare. How odd...(not really)

 

[Clementine]

The PPACA has been a great improvement for way more Americans health care than the reich can understand as they only look for abstract failures which are very few and far between. Capitalism is the biggest impediment to affordable health care there is.

Thanks to Obamacare, a lot of people lost their insurance. And many more found themselves paying way higher premiums and the higher deductibles meant out of pocket for all their care. Only ones it worked for were the only who didn't work. Illegals have it better than the average person working their ass off to pay their own bills.

 

[P@triot]

We don't need shitty Cuban care. The Nordic healthcare systems are world's better than what we got here. Not only that, but their poverty rates are much lower than the US's.

More indisputable proof that your full of immature idealism while ignoring reality...

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

 

[Billy000]

We don't need shitty Cuban care. The Nordic healthcare systems are world's better than what we got here. Not only that, but their poverty rates are much lower than the US's.

More indisputable proof that your full of immature idealism while ignoring reality...

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

As I said, it would be expensive to implement. States can't do it one by one. Raising taxes and cutting our bloated defense budget would make the idea feasible. Everyone would pay more in taxes, but the amount they pay would still be cheaper than their out of pocket costs now.

 

[P@triot]

As I said, it would be expensive to implement. States can't do it one by one.

Thing of the astounding idiotic "logic" here. Fifty states can't do it by themselves but fifty states can do it if mandated by the federal government.

Wow....just.....wow.

 

[P@triot]

cutting our bloated defense budget would make the idea feasible.

Except that our defense budget is not "bloated". It is severely underfunded.

 

[Billy000]

As I said, it would be expensive to implement. States can't do it one by one.

Thing of the astounding idiotic "logic" here. Fifty states can't do it by themselves but fifty states can do it if mandated by the federal government.

Wow....just.....wow.

It would be a federal budget not individual state budgets. Christ. This isnt hard to figure out you goon.

 

[Billy000]

cutting our bloated defense budget would make the idea feasible.

Except that our defense budget is not "bloated". It is severely underfunded.

No actual expert on the subject agrees with you. You're just dumb enough to believe anything republicans say on the subject.

 

[P@triot]

As I said, it would be expensive to implement. States can't do it one by one.

Thing of the astounding idiotic "logic" here. Fifty states can't do it by themselves but fifty states can do it if mandated by the federal government.

Wow....just.....wow.

It would be a federal budget not individual state budgets. Christ. This isnt hard to figure out you goon.

And where does the federal government get the money for their budget? From the people of those 50 states.

Good grief are you taking stupidity to unprecedented levels right now...

 

[P@triot]

cutting our bloated defense budget would make the idea feasible.

Except that our defense budget is not "bloated". It is severely underfunded.

No actual expert on the subject agrees with you. You're just dumb enough to believe anything republicans say on the subject.

Actually....every "expert" agrees. This is just you once again denying reality. Now run off to your beloved "Nordic nations" for your healthcare, junior.

 

[Billy000]

As I said, it would be expensive to implement. States can't do it one by one.

Thing of the astounding idiotic "logic" here. Fifty states can't do it by themselves but fifty states can do it if mandated by the federal government.

Wow....just.....wow.

It would be a federal budget not individual state budgets. Christ. This isnt hard to figure out you goon.

And where does the federal government get the money for their budget? From the people of those 50 states.

Good grief are you taking stupidity to unprecedented levels right now...

Lol why are you so stupid to not see the difference between state budgets and the overall federal budget?

 

[P@triot]

Lol why are you so stupid to not see the difference between state budgets and the overall federal budget?

LOL....why are you too stupid to see that 50 states with $10 each ($500) is the same as one federal government with all $10 from each of those 50 states ($500)? Either way, you have 330 million people attempting to divide up the same pool of money.

The difference at the state level is that it is constitutional, there is a gabillion times less corruption, and I'm not paying for some dillhole thousands of miles away who has never paid a dime in taxes to make my state better.

It's a moot point. You had your chance. Your party blew it (then sucked it, then choked on it). Over 1,000 seats lost nation-wide since Obamacare passed. Almost all of the exchanges collapsed since Obamacare passed. Healthcare costs absolutely skyrocketed since Obamacare passed. The American people got to see first-hand the nightmares of socialized medicine.

The Republican's are in control again and Obamcare is very close to being repealed.

 

[Tax Man]

Republican cannot be trusted to keep America safe.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is nothing like watching socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/etc. attempt to discuss policy and economics. Watching this old buffoon stutter and stammer when challenged with reality is worth the price of admission alone.

Neither California nor Vermont are able to fund their socialized medicine dream. And yet this reality denier refuses to accept that or the fact that his pipe dream has failed by every society that ever tried it.



Bernie Sanders squirms as CNN host spews facts on single-payer health care

Okay, I watched this whole clip. Bernie did not "squirm". Tapper makes a fair point that single payer failed in Vermont, but what Bernie is 100% correct about is that single payer over time would dramatically save on healthcare costs for consumers in comparison to the system we have now. One huge challenge to implementing single payer is that, yes, it would be very expensive to intially implement. Again, however, it would save on healthcare costs over time.

Socialized medicine over time turns into Venezuela.

If you have read any of the utopian philosophies, socialism has been studied since Plato's Republic. Socialized medicine works when the sick are killed early on.

 

[P@triot]

 

[P@triot]

When it comes to lying - the left has actually surpassed pathological status. They lie about their lies. And then they lie about that. It's gotten to the point that any lefty in the media doesn't even want to cover the truth as a part of their job. If it's not a lie - the left wants no part of it.

Emails obtained by the American Center for Law and Justice show that reporters at the New York Times and theWashington Post told the Department of Justice's director of public affairs at the time, Melanie Newman, that while they were writing stories on the controversy, their editors were making them do it.

What a sad indictment on the left. It's a sad indictment on their professionalism, on their integrity, and on their character. They had a major story to cover and they did everything in their power to avoid covering it.

Emails Show WaPo, NYT Reporters Didn't Want to Cover Clinton-Lynch Tarmac Meeting

 

[Tresha91203]

There is nothing like watching socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/etc. attempt to discuss policy and economics. Watching this old buffoon stutter and stammer when challenged with reality is worth the price of admission alone.

Neither California nor Vermont are able to fund their socialized medicine dream. And yet this reality denier refuses to accept that or the fact that his pipe dream has failed by every society that ever tried it.



Bernie Sanders squirms as CNN host spews facts on single-payer health care

Oh, and socialized medicine works great in Western European nations. Those healthcare systems are objectively better than ours. Canada's is also objectively better than ours.

Canada has a population belt, then very rural areas. It works for the population belt but not for the rural areas. We have a higher population percentage than them in rural areas. Factor in drive time to a large city when you visualize universal healthcare. Healthcare is different Vancouver vs Prince Edward Island.

 

[Markle]

Oh, and socialized medicine works great in Western European nations. Those healthcare systems are objectively better than ours. Canada's is also objectively better than ours.

As always, objectively that is a lie. A lie you repeat on every thread concerning health care.

 

[Markle]

Canada has a population belt, then very rural areas. It works for the population belt but not for the rural areas. We have a higher population percentage than them in rural areas. Factor in drive time to a large city when you visualize universal healthcare. Healthcare is different Vancouver vs Prince Edward Island.

Here are the waiting times Canada is infamous for forcing on their citizens and why so many come to America for care.

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2016 Report
— Published on November 23, 2016
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2016 Report

From Canada
Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report
CTVNews.ca staff
Published Wednesday, November 23, 2016 5:30AM EST
Last Updated Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:03PM EST
A survey by the Fraser Institute found a median wait of 20 weeks for “medically necessary” treatments and procedures in 2016 – the longest-recorded wait time since the think tank began tracking wait times.

That’s more than double the wait times reported in 1993, when the right-leaning think tank began tracking the issue in Canada.

The survey looked at total wait times faced by patients starting from the time they received a referral from a general practitioner, to the consultation with a specialist, to “when the patient ultimately receives treatment.”

At 38.8 weeks, New Brunswick recorded the longest wait time among Canadian provinces.

Ontario recorded the shortest wait time at 15.6 weeks, however, that province’s median wait rose from 14.2 weeks in 2015.

Median wait time by province in 2016:

• New Brunswick: 38.8 weeks
• Nova Scotia: 34. 8
• P.E.I: 31.4
• Newfoundland and Labrador: 26
• British Columbia: 25.2
• Alberta: 22.9
• Manitoba: 20.6
• Quebec: 18.9
• Saskatchewan: 16.6
• Ontario: 15.6

In terms of specialized treatment, national wait times were longest for neurosurgery (46.9 weeks) and shortest for medical oncology (3.7 weeks).

• Neurosurgery: 46.9 weeks
• Orthopaedic surgery: 38
• Ophthalmology: 28.5
• Plastic Surgery: 25.9
• Otolaryngology: 22.7
• Gynaecology: 18.8
• Urology: 16.2
• Internal medicine: 12.9
• Radiation oncology: 4.1
• General surgery: 12.1
• Cardiovascular: 8.4
• Medical oncology: 3.7

Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report

 

[Markle]

Capitalism is the biggest impediment to affordable health care there is.

Do you want it affordable or of high quality? You can't have it both ways.

What country, or countries have developed more new life saving or drugs to extend life, new technology or new procedures in the past fifty years than the United States.