What's so wrong with Rand's Objectivism?

[G.T.]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

 

[Moonglow]

Objectivism without a subject matter, how generalized.

 

[Si modo]

Objectivism without a subject matter, how generalized.

 

[G.T.]

Objectivism without a subject matter, how generalized.

It's what she liked her philosophy to be called, because the term "Randists" made her cringe.

I'm more-so asking what's wrong with Randism

 

[AquaAthena]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Nothing, in my opinion. Atlas Shrugged was prophetic, as was Ayn Rand. Of course it is too late to work in present society, for we have elected officials whose political ambitions for America, have been counterproductive. We are seeing the result of collectivism.

From Wikipedia:

The book [ Atlas Shrugged ] explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.

The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity.

In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

SNIP:

Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[68] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history. At the time of publication the novel was on the New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011.[

Atlas Shrugged - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[manifold]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

 

[G.T.]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Nothing, in my opinion. Atlas Shrugged was prophetic, as was Ayn Rand. Of course it is too late to work in present society, for we have elected officials whose political ambitions for America, have been counterproductive. We are seeing the result of collectivism.

From Wikipedia:

The book [ Atlas Shrugged ] explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.

The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity.

In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

SNIP:

Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[68] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history. At the time of publication the novel was on the New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011.[

Atlas Shrugged - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the wisdom of both sides has good points.

 

[G.T.]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

 

[Moonglow]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Nothing, in my opinion. Atlas Shrugged was prophetic, as was Ayn Rand. Of course it is too late to work in present society, for we have elected officials whose political ambitions for America, have been counterproductive. We are seeing the result of collectivism.

From Wikipedia:

The book [ Atlas Shrugged ] explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.

The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity.

In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

SNIP:

Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[68] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history. At the time of publication the novel was on the New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011.[

Atlas Shrugged - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it was collectivism that was prevalent during the Great Compromise that led to Civil War also.

 

[G.T.]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Nothing, in my opinion. Atlas Shrugged was prophetic, as was Ayn Rand. Of course it is too late to work in present society, for we have elected officials whose political ambitions for America, have been counterproductive. We are seeing the result of collectivism.

From Wikipedia:

The book [ Atlas Shrugged ] explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.

The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity.

In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

SNIP:

Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[68] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history. At the time of publication the novel was on the New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011.[

Atlas Shrugged - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it was collectivism that was prevalent during the Great Compromise that led to Civil War also.

I think the point would be that without collectivism, there never would have been the need for a Civil War to begin with.

 

[manifold]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

Certainly not in the religion forum, right.

 

[AquaAthena]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

This would have been a good discussion for the CDZ?

 

[G.T.]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

Certainly not in the religion forum, right.

psst....

(and ethics)

 

[G.T.]

Ayn Rand was God-hating atheist and therefore nothing she thought or said should be taken seriously by Republicans.

Or do they overlook that litmus test in her case?

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

This would have been a good discussion for the CDZ?

Ethics is a fine enough place for it.

 

[manifold]

I agree in a way, but I don't want to the discussion to get Theocratic up in this bitch.

Certainly not in the religion forum, right.

psst....

(and ethics)

So you're interested in exploring the ethics of Objectivism then?

 

[Saigon]

Randism is fundamentally anti-democratic, and is closer to fascism than many so-called "Libertarians" are to admit.

Whereas democracy seeks to allow all people fundamental rights, Objectivism seeks to allow the rich and the powerful the right to usurp the rights of others.

Rand believes the rich and the powerful have the right to do as they place, because this enriches society. In fact, it enriches the rich and the powerful.

We know trickle-down economics do not work, and Objectivism is a step along the road from trickle-down.

 

[G.T.]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Nothing, in my opinion. Atlas Shrugged was prophetic, as was Ayn Rand. Of course it is too late to work in present society, for we have elected officials whose political ambitions for America, have been counterproductive. We are seeing the result of collectivism.

From Wikipedia:

The book [ Atlas Shrugged ] explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.

The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity.

In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

SNIP:

Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[68] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history. At the time of publication the novel was on the New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011.[

Atlas Shrugged - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you object to her view on Heroism?

If being a hero - say in the Military - doesn't in some way serve one's self, she believes that to be altruism and evil. Do you agree?

 

[Saigon]

a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government,

Whereas Rand would you have you believe that you will be better off being a slave to the rich and powerful.

A class case of a new world, same as the old world.

If I were to name the place and time the world came closest to seeing Objectivism in action, I'd say Nigeria during much of the past 30 years. You might want to check how that is working.

 

[G.T.]

Randism is fundamentally anti-democratic, and is closer to fascism than many so-called "Libertarians" are to admit.

Whereas democracy seeks to allow all people fundamental rights, Objectivism seeks to allow the rich and the powerful the right to usurp the rights of others.

Rand believes the rich and the powerful have the right to do as they place, because this enriches society. In fact, it enriches the rich and the powerful.

We know trickle-down economics do not work, and Objectivism is a step along the road from trickle-down.

Fascism is definitely not what she preaches.

And I'd posit that the rich and the powerful, through our system thatr exists now, already usurp the rights of others with the *help of the Government.

 

[Sallow]

Lay out your case. Let's discuss. Please be cordial.

Thanks!

Rand was never Objective.

She was an old world aristocrat.