What would USMB look like if Reagan gave the nod to kill Osama bin laden?

[Procrustes Stretched]

What would USMB look like if Reagan gave the nod to kill Osama bin laden?

This si what bothers most sane people. The unreality of the right wing when they politicize every single action of a President they disagree with ;politically.

Everyone should be celebrating Obama as a great C-in-C...


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Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

right! the right wing attacked Reagan when he left office ....

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel. Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.”

Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets. Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain.

Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.
Senate Ratification and a Presidential Rebuke - All the protests from hardline opponents of the treaty come to naught.

When the Senate votes to ratify the treaty, Reagan says of his conservative opposition, “I think that some of the people who are objecting the most and just refusing even to accede to the idea of ever getting an understanding, whether they realize it or not, those people, basically, down in their deepest thoughts, have accepted that war is inevitable and that there must come to be a war between the superpowers.” [Scoblic, 2008, pp. 142-145]

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As the end of President Reagan’s final term approaches, conservatives and hardliners have radically changed their view of him.

They originally saw him as one of their own—a crusader for good against evil, obstinately opposed to communism in general and to any sort of arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union in specific.

But recent events—Reagan’s recent moderation in rhetoric towards the Soviets (see December 1983 and After), the summits with Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev (see November 16-19, 1985 and October 11-12, 1986), and the recent arms treaties with the Soviets (see Early 1985 and December 7-8, 1987) have soured them on Reagan. Hardliners had once held considerable power in the Reagan administration (see January 1981 and After and Early 1981 and After), but their influence has steadily waned, and their attempts to sabotage and undermine arms control negotiations (see April 1981 and After, September 1981 through November 1983, May 1982 and After, and April 1983-December 1983), initially quite successful, have grown less effective and more desperate (see Before November 16, 1985).

Attempts by administration hardliners to get “soft” officials such as Secretary of State George Shultz fired do not succeed. Conservative pundits such as George Will and William Safire lambast Reagan, with Will accusing him of “moral disarmament” and Safire mocking Reagan’s rapport with Gorbachev: “He professed to see in Mr. Gorbachev’s eyes an end to the Soviet goal of world domination.” It will not be until after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the tearing down of the Berlin Wall (see November 9, 1989 and After) that conservatives will revise their opinion of Reagan, in the process revising much of history in the process. [Scoblic, 2008, pp. 143-145]

George Will


Far right Conservatives have always been despicable when attacking those who do not fall into line

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan? Bin Laden?

You meant BJ Clinton, right?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Reagan? Bin Laden?

You meant BJ Clinton, right?

If I were simodo or one of the right wingers I'd report you for violating Political Forum rules...but....

Dante is Dante

 

[nitroz]

it would still be obamas fault.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

it would still be obamas fault.

I wonder how many years after he leaves office his name will be used as a rallying cry for misfits and losers on the right?

 

[Locke11_21]

What would USMB look like if Reagan gave the nod to kill Osama bin laden?

This si what bothers most sane people. The unreality of the right wing when they politicize every single action of a President they disagree with ;politically.

Everyone should be celebrating Obama as a great C-in-C...

A better question would be:

"What would USMB look like without idiotic posts like this"?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What would USMB look like if Reagan gave the nod to kill Osama bin laden?

This is what bothers most sane people. The unreality of the right wing when they politicize every single action of a President they disagree with ;politically.

Everyone should be celebrating Obama as a great C-in-C...

A better question would be:

"What would USMB look like without idiotic posts like this"?

Dante would report you for violating Political Forum rules, but Dante is no simodo or sniper or other wingnut cry baby

Dante has been reported for less today...imagine that? now who here is stupid?

 

[aaronleland]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

 

[edthecynic]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

So did Pink Floyd before St Ronnie, and the Jefferson Airplane before Pink Floyd.

The thing is, the wall was still up the day Reagan left office, but they credit him with bringing it down just like they credit Bush with killing OBL.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

right! the right wing attacked Reagan when he left office ....

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel. Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.”

Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets. Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain.

Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.
Senate Ratification and a Presidential Rebuke - All the protests from hardline opponents of the treaty come to naught.

When the Senate votes to ratify the treaty, Reagan says of his conservative opposition, “I think that some of the people who are objecting the most and just refusing even to accede to the idea of ever getting an understanding, whether they realize it or not, those people, basically, down in their deepest thoughts, have accepted that war is inevitable and that there must come to be a war between the superpowers.” [Scoblic, 2008, pp. 142-145]

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As the end of President Reagan’s final term approaches, conservatives and hardliners have radically changed their view of him.

They originally saw him as one of their own—a crusader for good against evil, obstinately opposed to communism in general and to any sort of arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union in specific.

But recent events—Reagan’s recent moderation in rhetoric towards the Soviets (see December 1983 and After), the summits with Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev (see November 16-19, 1985 and October 11-12, 1986), and the recent arms treaties with the Soviets (see Early 1985 and December 7-8, 1987) have soured them on Reagan. Hardliners had once held considerable power in the Reagan administration (see January 1981 and After and Early 1981 and After), but their influence has steadily waned, and their attempts to sabotage and undermine arms control negotiations (see April 1981 and After, September 1981 through November 1983, May 1982 and After, and April 1983-December 1983), initially quite successful, have grown less effective and more desperate (see Before November 16, 1985).

Attempts by administration hardliners to get “soft” officials such as Secretary of State George Shultz fired do not succeed. Conservative pundits such as George Will and William Safire lambast Reagan, with Will accusing him of “moral disarmament” and Safire mocking Reagan’s rapport with Gorbachev: “He professed to see in Mr. Gorbachev’s eyes an end to the Soviet goal of world domination.” It will not be until after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the tearing down of the Berlin Wall (see November 9, 1989 and After) that conservatives will revise their opinion of Reagan, in the process revising much of history in the process. [Scoblic, 2008, pp. 143-145]

George Will


Far right Conservatives have always been despicable when attacking those who do not fall into line

 

[jwoodie]

You need to go outside more often.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

What would USMB look like if Reagan gave the nod to kill Osama bin laden?

.....Seeing-as-how that ol' fart is pushin'-up daisies!!!!​

 

[Sallow]

Why would Reagan kill someone he thought of as a "Founding Father" of Afghanistan?

 

[Sallow]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

So did Pink Floyd before St Ronnie, and the Jefferson Airplane before Pink Floyd.

The thing is, the wall was still up the day Reagan left office, but they credit him with bringing it down just like they credit Bush with killing OBL.

Funny..most of the "Reagan got rid of the Soviet Union" types still call Russia the "Soviet Union".

They also leave out all the money the US had to pump into the Russian economy to keep it from totally collapsing.

Yay team.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

So did Pink Floyd before St Ronnie, and the Jefferson Airplane before Pink Floyd.

The thing is, the wall was still up the day Reagan left office, but they credit him with bringing it down just like they credit Bush with killing OBL.

Funny..most of the "Reagan got rid of the Soviet Union" types still call Russia the "Soviet Union".

They also leave out all the money the US had to pump into the Russian economy to keep it from totally collapsing.

Yay team.

LOL

 

[uscitizen]

Seems like Reagan supported and trained OBL.
Why would he want to kill his best freedom fighter?

 

[Caroljo]

Reagan (like Bush) would have given the Special Ops all the credit, and neither one would have given out the name of the Seal team that did it. And, they would have waited until all information was in ... you do know that by jumping the gun and giving out the information screwed up other plans?

 

[blackhawk]

it would still be obamas fault.

I wonder how many years after he leaves office his name will be used as a rallying cry for misfits and losers on the right?

Far less than losers and misfits on the left have used the name Bush for theirs.

 

[Avatar4321]

Reagan would get full credit. This is the same man who said "Tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union magically crumbled.

Magically? You people seriously dont think do you?

 

[Sallow]

Reagan (like Bush) would have given the Special Ops all the credit, and neither one would have given out the name of the Seal team that did it. And, they would have waited until all information was in ... you do know that by jumping the gun and giving out the information screwed up other plans?

Like he sent out the "Special Ops" team after some 250 Marines were killed in Beriut?