What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

[The Rabbi]

FDR's social welfare programs benefited people of all races. So your explanation does little to explain why blacks are ~90% Democratic today.

Well, no actually is was deleterious to all Americans. ANd FDR refused to push anti lynching legislation because he didnt want to offend Southern Dems.

But I answered your queston already: Dems figured out dishing out gov't cheese to blacks was the way to buy their vote.

(My bold)

Ugly in so many ways!

But let's cut to the chase: When can all those prospective Black GOP party members expect to see a Black GOP presidential candidate with an actual possibility of winning the GOP presidential nomination?

Does the Food Stamp program actually go back to FDR? Good for him, if so. Of course, the main point of that effort was to prop up farm prices, to save farmers & their crops - it was originally called the Food Commodities Program, as I recall. Fed gov was a middleman, buying crops @ a base price, processing, canning & then distributing goods on a sliding income scale? (That may have come later - @ first, I believe it was to help families keep body & soul together. I don't recall what the first distribution criteria were.)

We've already seen a black GOP candidate. He was harassed to death and called all sorts of things by the open minded liberal white establishment.

The real question is, When can Democrats field a successful black candidate?

 

[beagle9]

Liberals at least owe it to themselves to try a nation of all liberals. Split the country up and give them that chance.

We already have.

Red States Are Welfare Queens

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

The states you listed are still in a huge struggle coming out of the past, but are they getting better or getting worse is the question, and if they are getting worse, then why are they getting worse with so much more help than the other states have had, do get or produce ? Am I understanding this right ? If Not I am doing the best I can in comprehending this I guess. So the liberal bastions are profiting the nation instead of running in the red is what this is saying ? Otherwise they (the lib bastions) aren't costing Washington as much, when the others are eating it up and going over board ? Yes, but I think we have to look back to the entire history of the entire situation, where as that is the only way to truthfully look at it right ? What is the entire make up between all of these comparrisons, and what has the leadership been over the years or who has the leadership been over the years ? Is this suggesting that Conservatives who may lead in some of these states, are mis-managing them, where as if Dem's/libs had them it would be like the other lib bastions you cited here ?

 

[tjvh]

Why is this in the CDZ and not the rubber room?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why is this in the CDZ and not the rubber room?

because its an honest debat, something I want to read about, so far their has been no personal attacks or flaming by posters on my thread. it has been so polite and open, thanks guys and girls...

 

[007]

I put this topic here because I want honest answers and no flaming. As a right leaning guy I love the left and wouldnt want to see them go. But why does the left hate Republicans so bad? Their history is after all the Anti-Slave party. p.s. sorry about any typo's I wrote this on the fly because I am so curious what would you think happen to the US if cons left

Mexico would annex America, and the libroids would welcome it with open arms.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Liberals at least owe it to themselves to try a nation of all liberals. Split the country up and give them that chance.

We already have.

Red States Are Welfare Queens

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

but you do know you never bothered to think to put in the equation they were not the industrial states what were they history wise? and what Bill? did Clinton sign to destroy the southern textile industry? I inow do you? see the thilg is the south was never industrial but the north was and they blew it.

 

[auditor0007]

I put this topic here because I want honest answers and no flaming. As a right leaning guy I love the left and wouldnt want to see them go. But why does the left hate Republicans so bad? Their history is after all the Anti-Slave party. p.s. sorry about any typo's I wrote this on the fly because I am so curious what would you think happen to the US if cons left

The ‘left’ doesn’t ‘hate’ anyone, republicans in particular.

In fact, they’d love to have conservatives back to participate in responsible governance again.

Unfortunately, at least at this time, social conservatives, rightwing fiscal extremists, and Christian fundamentalists have a stranglehold on the GOP.

The nutters have taken over the asylum and everyone else left.

 

[asterism]

What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

Detroit

Mogadishu

 

[editec]

People are not responding to the question asked of us here.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

People are not responding to the question asked of us here.

How can they?

"Conservative" isn't clearly defined.

With no foundation, one cannot build a legitimate response.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A lot of history being rewritten here. In the Civil war the Republican party emerged in the north most from Abolisionists who lived there. The Democrat Party was well established in the south. In fact the south was often referred to as the Dixiecrats.

When Kennedy and LBJ launched the campaign for equal civil rights for every one, the Dixiecrats were appalled and became Republicans. The blacks tasted freedom and became dedicated Democrat supporters. The Dixiecrats dragged the Republican Party into religion and conservatism.

That's where we are today.

LJB Launched Civil Rights?

Was that after he spent 7 years in the Senate stomping on Ike's Civil Right Bill?

 

[Circe]

People are not responding to the question asked of us here.

It's hard to answer the question because I don't know where conservatives would go! I mean, it's probably some 160 million people, or more.

I think there is something underneath the question. What do you think the question is really asking? bear? Anyone?

 

[Circe]

Certainly, in a world of scarcity, change is seen as a risk of losing what one has. In a world of plenty change as seen as a chance for everyone to have more.

I brought up these analyses with my husband last night and his take is that conservatives believe in individual responsibility for self and liberals believe in collective responsibility for self.

That works with the scarcity vs. plenty dichotomy --- someone who feels his own self-preservation is up to him or her can be pretty worried s/he won't have enough resources.

Someone who feels his survival and prosperity is linked to collective resources may feel there is plenty in the aggregate, and he just has to make sure to get his share.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Friedman said many things.
In practice he was a monetarist and a statist.[/quote


A statist? No wonder I have you on ignore.

Oh my. The filter must have failed.

But I digress...

New Dealer Reagan and statist Friedman were best magic act in America for eight years. One preached fiscal conservatism while the other waved the magic wand of free markets; as the public listened to words they wanted to hear and watched the wand promising work, FriedmaNUT and ReagaNUT disciples looted the United States Treasury and opened US borders to cheap labor.

A quarter century after the players left the stage their Keynesian legacy poisons United States economic policy. Here is a great line from Milton Friedman Unraveled by Murray N. Rothbard

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In common with their Keynesian colleagues, the Friedmanites wish to give to the central government absolute control over these macro areas, in order to manipulate the economy for social ends, while maintaining that the micro world can still remain free. In short, Friedmanites as well as Keynesians concede the vital macro sphere to statism as the supposedly necessary framework for the micro-freedom of the free market.[/FONT]​

 

[theHawk]

What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

Detroit

I bet at some point there will be a "white flight" out of the US. Minorities will just keep increasing their numbers, and along wiith white liberals they will vote away the rights of conservatives, whites, and Christians---the "unholy trinity" in the eyes of liberals. Hell, we're already getting a sneak preview of that with the Hussein in power, just look at how much corruption and targeting of political groups he has done as a lame duck President.

Once they do leave, the nation would collapse just like Detroit. No rich people to pay for their handouts. Continue to print money to appease the poor, which leads to total economic collapse.

 

[Meathead]

Detroit/Third World best answer.

 

[PMZ]

I believe that what we are witnessing now is the extinction of the Dixiecrats. Well earned by the way. Extinction occurs when species cannot adapt to the changing environment. In the case of thinking species, I suppose that means that they expect the environment to change to what they are adapted to, but the environment really doesn't care what they want.

The extinction will be loud and dramatic as they wail the unfairness of it all, but will end as all extinctions do, with quiet.

 

[Circe]

What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

Detroit

I bet at some point there will be a "white flight" out of the US.

There's nowhere else to go. Better make our stand here and fight for the country.

 

[Two Thumbs]

If all types of conservatives left;

Abortion limits would be raised to a week
The Constitution would be replaced.
Corporations would pay nothing, since they would get either loop holes or left out, like with obamacare
Welfare rolls would initially expand, due to heavy taxation and the death of the dollar via borrowing and printing. I don't know how they would resolve the issue, since none could afford to get jobs.
Unions would rebound, pay would go up, but the costs of items would rocket.
Natural fuels would be outlawed, well, drilling and mining would die, creating the same result.

Eventually food resources would run dry, as the few liberals that lived in the country side wised up and joined the conservatives. There will be riots and eventually utter collapse.

 

[beagle9]

What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

Detroit

I bet at some point there will be a "white flight" out of the US. Minorities will just keep increasing their numbers, and along wiith white liberals they will vote away the rights of conservatives, whites, and Christians---the "unholy trinity" in the eyes of liberals. Hell, we're already getting a sneak preview of that with the Hussein in power, just look at how much corruption and targeting of political groups he has done as a lame duck President.

Once they do leave, the nation would collapse just like Detroit. No rich people to pay for their handouts. Continue to print money to appease the poor, which leads to total economic collapse.

You know, different governances like we see in China and other places in the world, might suit those nations whom want to sustain huge populations of people like they do, so they almost have to have the types of governance in which they have in order to do so, but here we haven't been a nation that wants to sustain gazillions upon gazillions of people in effect, and especially not for slaves as workers, and/or as soldiers, so we have always had the type of governance in balance of, in which has a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and a huge amount of land and resources to sustain us all, while others (China etc.) are busting at the seams in many cases. Now we have pocket population explosions going on within this nation, and in these populations comes those whom want to grow their population quickly now under a type of governance in which is leading this charge for them, and they are transforming government in order to accommodate their numbers, but where does this leave the nation be it in governance style or in management style in the coming future ?

Will this nation turn into a banana republic, a communist regime, a socialist police state or what in the coming years or decades ? Is there a quest by some to hopefully diminish or eradicate the Christians and Conservatives in this nation, and this because they are in the way of fundamental change where there are certain ideologies now flourishing, whom want to flood the nation first with those whom have hatred for those in which the OP is speaking on if they were to leave now or because of, then what would happen here if they do leave ?

Isn't their like a bad population explosion that had taken place in these other nations, in which determined afterwards the types of government that was needed in order to control such huge populations ? Is this where we are heading ?

I just don't think we need to change our nation or governance, unless we are heading right down the same paths, and would need to change in order to manage populations like we see in China and around the world. I hope this isn't where America is heading, but depending on what the reasons are for growing into such a huge population, and by whom or why it is being done, well it will tell us exactly what is going on in this nation when it is all apparent to the many in this nation in which will see themselves as being duped by it all finally..