What was the meaning of the word infringed in the 2nd Amendment?

[Dubya]

This is a very simple discussion just on the topic of what did the Founders mean when they used the word infringed in the 2nd Amendment.

Discuss, if you can!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[Ravi]

Not taken away without good reason.

 

[Spoonman]

Not taken away without good reason.

just wait until they start applying that logic to speech and assembly

 

[Ravi]

Not taken away without good reason.

just wait until they start applying that logic to speech and assembly

They've been doing that all along.

 

[Spoonman]

Not taken away without good reason.

just wait until they start applying that logic to speech and assembly

They've been doing that all along.

and that makes it a good thing? something you approve of?

 

[martybegan]

Not taken away without good reason.

I would argue that any right should not be taken away without good reason. If it is explicitly said "not to be infringed" I would take it that any RESTRICTION on that right has to have an OVERWHELMING compelling reason.

 

[Ravi]

just wait until they start applying that logic to speech and assembly

They've been doing that all along.

and that makes it a good thing? something you approve of?

It depends on the reason of course.

 

[Truthmatters]

this is settled constitutional law folks.


There is NOT ONE scotus member who says gun laws are unconstitutional.

 

[Spoonman]

They've been doing that all along.

and that makes it a good thing? something you approve of?

It depends on the reason of course.

and who gets to decide the reason?

 

[Ravi]

and that makes it a good thing? something you approve of?

It depends on the reason of course.

and who gets to decide the reason?

The people.

 

[Truthmatters]

the right in this country has lost its mind.

they are grasping for westboro level of crazy.

some have already attained that goal

 

[Spoonman]

It depends on the reason of course.

and who gets to decide the reason?

The people.

you don't see much of that happening today do you?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is a very simple discussion just on the topic of what did the Founders mean when they used the word infringed in the 2nd Amendment.

Discuss, if you can!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It means whatever our Lord and Savior Obama, praise be his Holy Name, thinks it should mean

 

[Dreamy]

To infringe means to encroach upon or narrow the right in any way.

It is a common verb used in governmental history. No entity shall infringe. Entities include Feds, State, Our Country, Another Country not even The People.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is a very simple discussion just on the topic of what did the Founders mean when they used the word infringed in the 2nd Amendment.

Discuss, if you can!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Here ya go dumbass...

infringed - definition of infringed by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

 

[Dubya]

this is settled constitutional law folks.


There is NOT ONE scotus member who says gun laws are unconstitutional.

What does the word infringed mean?

 

[Dubya]

You shall not take away the legal force or effectiveness of the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.

You shall not annul the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.

You shall not invalidate the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.

You shall not infringe the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.

Class dismissed!

 

[Wry Catcher]

this is settled constitutional law folks.


There is NOT ONE scotus member who says gun laws are unconstitutional.

What does the word infringed mean?

1. To break, as contracts; to violate, either positively by contravention, or negatively by non-fulfillment or neglect of performance. A prince or a private person infringes an agreement or covenant by neglecting to perform its conditions, as well as by doing what is stipulated not to be done.

2. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill or obey; as, to infringe a law.

Link: Search => [word] => Infringe :: 1828 Dictionary :: Search the 1828 Noah Webster's Dictionary of the English Language (FREE) :: 1828.mshaffer.com
1828 Dictionary, first published in the US.

So, to be taken literally, anyone - a drunk, drug addict, child abuser, wife abuser, felon, pyschotic paranoid schizophrenic, child, etc. etc. cannot have their right to own, possess, carry or control any arm or firearm, anywhere - loaded or not infringed.

Does anyone believe the founders believed this to be so?

 

[martybegan]

this is settled constitutional law folks.


There is NOT ONE scotus member who says gun laws are unconstitutional.

What does the word infringed mean?

1. To break, as contracts; to violate, either positively by contravention, or negatively by non-fulfillment or neglect of performance. A prince or a private person infringes an agreement or covenant by neglecting to perform its conditions, as well as by doing what is stipulated not to be done.

2. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill or obey; as, to infringe a law.

Link: Search => [word] => Infringe :: 1828 Dictionary :: Search the 1828 Noah Webster's Dictionary of the English Language (FREE) :: 1828.mshaffer.com
1828 Dictionary, first published in the US.

So, to be taken literally, anyone - a drunk, drug addict, child abuser, wife abuser, felon, pyschotic paranoid schizophrenic, child, etc. etc. cannot have their right to own, possess, carry or control any arm or firearm, anywhere - loaded or not infringed.

Does anyone believe the founders believed this to be so?

Also remember that during the time of the founders, violent criminals were often put to death, or died in the horrible prision conditions at the time. The idea of a felon being out and about and able to have rights wasnt there.

 

[Dubya]

this is settled constitutional law folks.


There is NOT ONE scotus member who says gun laws are unconstitutional.

What does the word infringed mean?

1. To break, as contracts; to violate, either positively by contravention, or negatively by non-fulfillment or neglect of performance. A prince or a private person infringes an agreement or covenant by neglecting to perform its conditions, as well as by doing what is stipulated not to be done.

2. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill or obey; as, to infringe a law.

Link: Search => [word] => Infringe :: 1828 Dictionary :: Search the 1828 Noah Webster's Dictionary of the English Language (FREE) :: 1828.mshaffer.com
1828 Dictionary, first published in the US.

So, to be taken literally, anyone - a drunk, drug addict, child abuser, wife abuser, felon, pyschotic paranoid schizophrenic, child, etc. etc. cannot have their right to own, possess, carry or control any arm or firearm, anywhere - loaded or not infringed.

Does anyone believe the founders believed this to be so?

That's your interpretation, but it isn't what the Founders meant.

They wanted to preserve the liberty they fought for, but they didn't want a standing army that someone within could use to take away that liberty. They saw that happen in Europe, country after country. They saw the populace disarmed, country after country. So they wrote those two themes into the Constitution. They forbade the populace from being disarmed and choose a well regulated militia to defend the US instead of a standing army, that they really couldn't afford anyway, but didn't want it to happen. That way they could get the states to train their individual militias, who would rally together if attacked.

Infringe means to invalidate, annul, or to take away the legal force or effectiveness of.