What was that sound I heard...?

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    ...Could it have been a <b>Flip-Flop</b>?

    Just heard on the BBC world service, Donald Rumsfeld, today, stated that he had seen no strong evidence linking Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

    <blockquote> "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two,"</blockquote> - Donald Rumsfeld

    Source: <a href=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3715396.stm>BBC World Service</a>

    This in stark contrast to his, and the Administration's, previous statements to the contrary.

    Another of the Bush administration's rationales for war with Iraq bites the dust.
     
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    Actually its kind of what you morons have been whining about. Saddam had meetings with Bin Laden but we have no "strong evidence" he did anything with him. There were funds transfered by Saddam to terrorists before. Bin Laden contacted top Iraqi officials about amnesty within IRaq borders but we dont have pieces of paper showing that this is solid fact.

    Is there very credible circumstancial evidence? You better bet your ass there is.

    Are you willing to bet your life on there being no connection? Bush apparently wasnt even ready to bet your pathetic life Bully on that gamble.
     
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    You're assuming a false proposition-- that if we had assumed there was no connection we would be dead. Um, yeah.

    The flip flop occurs here:

    Cheney, June: "There clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming."

    Rumsfeld, October: "I've seen no hard evidence."

    It doesn't get much clearer than that.
     
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    Actually, there's no credible evidence of any of your assertion. In the absence of solid evidence, your "facts" are nothing more than conjecture. And Bush is, apparently, willing to sacrifice the lives of our men and women in uniform on the basis of less than credible intel.
     
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    Bully, I've tried to appeal to this logic before-- most conservatives here are such stalwart defends of Dubya's policies that 'less than credible' and 'circumstantial' evidence is evidence enough to go to war, even though there were no WMDs.
     
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    It's all part of the unraveling of this Administration. One can only last for so long when wrong.

    This board is unusually quiet too!

    :baby4:
     
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    To defend the lives of the men and women here at home, yes he does. Here's the evidence he was presented from countries like France, Germany and Russia as well as our own CIA at the time in 2002.

    http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
    http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=482
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm


    Plus all of our fellow Democrats telling us the obvious.
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11428

    So when Bush is being told by all credible sources that Al Queda has some ties with saddam, and it was a consensus that Al queda killed 3000 americans on 9/11 as well as hundreds of others throughout the 90's on US soil, US embassies and US military craft, is he supposed to form a "summitt" to talk about how to stop this?

    NO! You say enough is enough and you work to take the fight to the enemy. You goto the UN for help if they are willing to give it (which we did). You ask them to make an ultimatum against Iraq since we have 17 resolutions against them for multiple reasons that they have been breaking for 12 years.(which we did) You work to bring as many nations to your side that are willing to fight to free the world from a small group of animals that wish to rule the world through fear. (which we did)

    That is what you do. Everything you guys whine about, Bush has done. But he didnt do it fast enough or slow enough or perfect enough. Well guess what? The world isnt perfect. You have to improvise and make TOUGH decisions. You can't go by polls to make your decisions and change your mind based on which way they sway. You need a leader.

    Its easy for people to play monday morning QB because we know that some of the intelligence has been shoddy. We know that some of our Allies had other motives backing their decisions. We know 3000% more info than they knew 2 years ago just as they knew 3000% more than Clinton knew 2 years before that. Being president is a tough job and thats why i thank God that a man like GWB is in there to make the tough decisions when they are needed.
     
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    And then, when all the credible intelligence that we needed to go to war on the basis of turns out not to be true (not pointing any fingers), you admit that its not true and you move on. Instead you say there was overwhelming intelligence (that i'm not going to share with you) that you "probably know more" than the 9/11 commision, but you're not going to share with them either, that you're directly contradicting the 9/11 commision (no collaborative relationship)....LET IT GO, DICK.
     
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    The 911 commission confirmed a connection between Saddam and Al Queda. one of these days you guys ought to read what you are citing.
     
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    We did read it, you're just SPINNING it. They established there were connections, about a decade ago, but, AND I QUOTE: "NO COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP"

    Rumsfeld: "NO HARD EVIDENCE"

    STOP BEATING THE HORSE THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ALREADY SHOT
     

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