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I totally agree. I was a member and officer of the Association of Texas Professional Educators, who fought the AFT/TSTA after they illegally joined with the national union. We believe in no striking, collaborating with parents, school boards and administrators.While "teachers" as a class cannot be blamed for the sorry state of American public education, teachers' unions can be blamed for protecting the jobs of incompetents and thwarting any initiative that does not benefit their members (e.g., longer class days).
The states are largely to blame for allowing local control of education, when regional utilization of resources could produce better results and provide more equitable treatment of everyone involved.
A good teacher is worth $100k/yr and a poor one is worth less than nothing.
By the way, teachers draw a salary for nine months, paid out over 12 months. Weekends are not free. There are student activities that teachers have to participate in without pay, parking cars, selling tickets, and being security at sporting events, having to find a part time job during the summer to make ends meet.
At the end of 5 years teaching with two Master's degrees, I made $13,000 (1982), no medical benefits for my family or myself, no eyeglasses or anything else. When I attended a conference, I was expected to foot the bill myself, or get a room for 6, carpool there and back, and eat a lot of Big Macs.
Sorry, saymyname, but it didn't happen in Texas. You are spouting B.S.
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I should have a macro for this.
You didn't watch the video, did you.
Thank you for sharing, BDBoop.
I watched it.
Not impressed. He's a teacher bfd. He works part time has summers off uses the same hackneyed lesson plan over and over.
I never understood why teachers think they are so fucking noble.
Part of it comes from dealing with punks like you on a daily basis....
I was a straight A student and it wasn't because of any teacher. People learn more out of the classroom than in one.
Part of it comes from dealing with punks like you on a daily basis....
I was a straight A student and it wasn't because of any teacher. People learn more out of the classroom than in one.
Link?
No need the fact is that people spend more time out of a classroom than in one.
And a large portion of the time people are "in school" they are hardly learning.
I can learn more in an afternoon in the library than most will learn in a week of classes.
My god are you all so brainwashed as to think that school is the only place to learn?
There's another side to the story. All states require that teachers be certified which means a 4 year degree unlike firemen or policeman. In most states, advancement and sometimes just keeping your job requires a masters degree. The average cost of a 4 year degree is about $50,000, if you avoid the more pricey schools. The average starting salary for a teacher is about $33,000. If the teacher get's a masters degree which will cost another $10K to $20K, then after 15 to 20 years in the classroom, the teacher can expect to be making $50,000 to $65,000 depending on the state. Also, the chance of advancement is not good compared to most professions. A classroom teacher that stays in education is likely to be in the classroom when they retire.What teacher's make is often considering the base pay of beginning educators. The inside joke amongst them is to always talk bad about how they have it. Lets look at some facts.
They make more than most firemen, policemen, and other bureacrats on average in any same county of the United States. At the same time, they get all holidays and nearly three months off in the summer for that same average pay. They get weekends off. They get evenings off without having to work late unless they choose to do so.
Teachers have health plans better than the average American. Many have perks, such as a free pair of contacts or glasses every year. Many districts encourage professional travel outside the district for conventions and seminars that are luxurious, to say the least.
Let's not forget that they work inside weather it be rain, sleet, snow, or hot desert sun. Now that is an undervalued plus.
Keep perpetuating the myth that teachers have it so bad. I did for years for obviously all too selfish reasons.
Teaching in the United States is one of the most pampered professions in the country.
Correct.Good benefits such as health insurance, retirement, days off, and job security are what attracts people to teaching, not salary. If you cut into the benefits, retirement, and job security without much higher pay, then better students will just bypass education as a career.
The biggest problem in education is that we don't spend enough time educating kids. Our schools are closed 30% of the year. How many businesses can afford to close their doors nearly 1/3 of the year? There are 63,000 public schools that sit empty nearly 1/3 of the year. Teachers aren't working. Students are home pestering their parents or getting in trouble and test scores compared to other countries are falling.
You're probably correct about low termination, but that certainly doesn't mean that schools are forced to keep incompetent teachers. In many school systems today, teachers enter the system as substitute teachers. Those that don't measure up have trouble getting a permanent position. Once hired, the teacher is on probation for several years and can be dismissed at any time. After completing the probationary period, the teacher can still be fired for cause, but usually the teacher resigns. However, often the teacher is transferred out of the school, sometimes to a non-teaching position but often to a less desirable position that's difficult to fill and the teacher resigns. So don't think for minute that schools don't get rid of bad teachers. If the principal really wants to get rid of you, he certainly can.The teachers unions have destroyed the opinions on teachers by most Americans.
I cannot think of a more tragic story than the American education system and teachers unions.
Good teachers whose care for their students matches their skill do not get paid one penny more than the worthless f*cks who absolutely suck at teaching and don't care.
The unions do not allow pay by merit. Teachers also enjoy the lowest termination percentages in the nation - THINK ABOUT THAT. The people who are responsible for teaching our next generation have almost zero chance of ever losing their job no matter how bad they are....outrageous.
And BTW - 25 days a year off for holidays plus 45-60 days off for summer and get paid for all of it - I would trade for that any day.
# The median pension payment for teachers in 2008 was $43,200. Police and fire fund retirees were paid a median $61,800, with State Police getting $81,700.
The avg teacher salary in our area is 60K. The avg home price is 300K.
Many cops in our town make over 100K with overtime. Teachers do not get OT.
Our pensions are 50 percent pay after 30 yrs. Police pensions are 100 percent.
I'm not saying cops don't deserve that, but it is unfair to compare the two. And it is equally unfair for our governor to go after the teachers' union and remain silent about the PBA.
No need the fact is that people spend more time out of a classroom than in one.
And a large portion of the time people are "in school" they are hardly learning.
I can learn more in an afternoon in the library than most will learn in a week of classes.
My god are you all so brainwashed as to think that school is the only place to learn?
And what are they doing with all that time outside the classroom?
Video games, Magic cards, D & D, skateboarding, getting drunk or stoned, Wii'ng, endless social networking, etc.
How many do you think are in the library to do any more than surf the net?
Unsupervised kids are NOT learning outside the school!