What Makes a Liberal? Part II...

[ciplexian]

The 'end state' of liberal democracy predicted by Fukuyama was something that a nation-state would arrive at inevitably and relatively peacefully, quite contrary to the what is going on in Iraq.

You've got it backwards.

The Neo-Cons are the Civilizationists who are acting in this, the midst of a clash of civilizations. The 'civilizational resistance' you mention is being dealt with with tanks and marines. That's not an End of History mentality.

No, you are right. Bush has used the word crusade already more than once. It's not the end of history mentality. Nevertheless this particular brand of "civilatrice" seems to be heading down the toilet.

America is liberal enough already for the most part. In some areas I feel it is too liberal, such as on abortion, social security, and education. On others it is not liberal enough, such as climate change and virtually everything related to foreign policy. But the GOP right throughout the past 10 years has shown that they are more interested in being reactionaries than conservatives. With the singular exception of the gay marriage issue, which seems to be effectively dead since Nov. 2, someone satisfied with the status quo today would be a Democrat. On every other issue it is the Republicans who are trying to push us backward, not preserve the status quo.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, you are right. Bush has used the word crusade already more than once. It's not the end of history mentality. Nevertheless this particular brand of "civilatrice" seems to be heading down the toilet.

America is liberal enough already for the most part. In some areas I feel it is too liberal, such as on abortion, social security, and education. On others it is not liberal enough, such as climate change and virtually everything related to foreign policy. But the GOP right throughout the past 10 years has shown that they are more interested in being reactionaries than conservatives. With the singular exception of the gay marriage issue, which seems to be effectively dead since Nov. 2, someone satisfied with the status quo today would be a Democrat. On every other issue it is the Republicans who are trying to push us backward, not preserve the status quo.

Another lying fake conservative ladies and gentleman.

 

[MissileMan]

Bill Clinton rescued our economy by using the same principles as JFK; take as much money as we can gather and invest it into the private sector, then turn around and cut government spending. In doing so, the economy had gotten stronger, the government received more money, therefore, there was no need to raise taxes.

Clinton's policies had nothing to do with the economic boom that occurred during the 90's. The expansion of the internet and advances in technology, especially in computers were the driving force. Even Carter couldn't have screwed that up. People attach way too much credit and blame onto the president for the state of the economy.

 

[hylandrdet]

Clinton's policies had nothing to do with the economic boom that occurred during the 90's. The expansion of the internet and advances in technology, especially in computers were the driving force. Even Carter couldn't have screwed that up. People attach way too much credit and blame onto the president for the state of the economy.

Uh, you do know that the expasnion of the internet was the result of legislation passed by the Clinton administration, with the driving force being Al Gore, right? Where do you think the "I invented the internet" tag on Gore came from?

The advancement in technology, I give full credit to Reagan; his surge in military spending, and in NASA, led to such advancements in technology.

What I was trying to say in the Jeff Gordan analogy is that Reagan built the car, but Clinton still had to drive it to victory.. and he did.

Missile, you must understand that the only reason why the US is the most powerful nation in the world is because we know when to slow down (conservative) and when to speed up (liberal) when it comes to the changes that take place in the world.

Since 1980, about 24 years, the US was under 16 years of Republican control of the White House, and over 12 years of republican control of congress. And yet throughout this time, you failed to secure this nation, you failed to implement your form of "morality" and you'd failed to maintain a strong economy. It might be because many people think of your values as hypocritical in nature, so they chose to fight back.

Historical note: You did know that Jimmy Carter was the only DEMOCRATIC president to leave office with the economy being WORSE than it was before taking office. That's why the conservatives love to bring up Jimmy Carter... He's an exception, not the rule of democratic economic stradegies.

You conservatives have way too much rope to hang yourselves. Working with less than half a cabinet, no immediate relief for the soldiers, no signs of lesser tensions in the middle east and the Euro is kicking our butts.

Liberalism stands for change; it's time for a change. The future of this nation lies on when it is time to be conservative and when it is time to be liberal, in our policies.

I encourage John Kerry to run again; I guarantee you that if he were to run again, he will win.

As far as I'm concerned, you do the voodoo that you do; you guys are doing our job for us; who am I to stop you.

 

[MissileMan]

Uh, you do know that the expasnion of the internet was the result of legislation passed by the Clinton administration, with the driving force being Al Gore, right? Where do you think the "I invented the internet" tag on Gore came from?

You're one of those Clinton lovers that thinks Bush stole the 2000 election aren't you? The quote "I invented the internet" came straight out of that horse's ass' mouth. Gore claiming credit for inventing the internet is as incredible as your hero's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" speech.

And by all means, dust off Kerry for another run at the Whitehouse. Just remember that no matter how much you polish that turd, he'll still be a piece of shite!

 

[Zhukov]

Nevertheless this particular brand of "civilatrice" seems to be heading down the toilet.

In your opinion. A great many people would disagree with your opinion.

On others it is not liberal enough, such as climate change and virtually everything related to foreign policy.

Please define a liberal and an aliberal foreign policy.

With the singular exception of the gay marriage issue, which seems to be effectively dead since Nov. 2, someone satisfied with the status quo today would be a Democrat.

I cannot honestly fathom how you would come to that conclusion.

 

[Zhukov]

Uh, you do know that the expasnion of the internet was the result of legislation passed by the Clinton administration, with the driving force being Al Gore, right? Where do you think the "I invented the internet" tag on Gore came from?

Actually the internet was developed by research scientists looking for a more convenient way to share their data. Pornography, more than the Clinton administration, was responsible for the dispersement of the internet. Hmmm.

What I was trying to say in the Jeff Gordan analogy is that Reagan built the car, but Clinton still had to drive it to victory.. and he did.

That's a pretty dumb analogy. But seeing as how you've relegated Pres. Clinton to a position equivalent to a well trained chimp, we'll let it slide.

I encourage John Kerry to run again; I guarantee you that if he were to run again, he will win.

$500. If you agree, we'll exchange names and contact information.

 

[ciplexian]

In your opinion. A great many people would disagree with your opinion.

Fair enough.

Please define a liberal and an aliberal foreign policy.

There are tons of foreign policy quizzes out there that will define it for you. In general, liberal=internationalist.

I cannot honestly fathom how you would come to that conclusion.

For every one significant change to the status quo you can name which is supported by Democrats and not Republicans, I can name a multitude of changes sought by the Republican side which is not supported by the Dems. The Dems are the status quo party. Perhaps that is part of their problem, but as of now it is true.

 

[MissileMan]

For every one significant change to the status quo you can name which is supported by Democrats and not Republicans, I can name a multitude of changes sought by the Republican side which is not supported by the Dems. The Dems are the status quo party. Perhaps that is part of their problem, but as of now it is true.

Since apparently you are saying that both sides want things changed, neither party could be called a "status quo" party. The Dems want to change things but are unable to. Their vehicle has been put up on blocks...the engine is revving, the wheels are spinning madly, but they aren't going anywhere. And can't you just picture Kerry behind the wheel screaming, "Wheeeeee!" and MacAuliffe and Dean in the backseat shouting, "Faster, Faster!"

 

[ciplexian]

Since apparently you are saying that both sides want things changed, neither party could be called a "status quo" party. The Dems want to change things but are unable to. Their vehicle has been put up on blocks...the engine is revving, the wheels are spinning madly, but they aren't going anywhere. And can't you just picture Kerry behind the wheel screaming, "Wheeeeee!" and MacAuliffe and Dean in the backseat shouting, "Faster, Faster!"

LOL not really missile man. Kerry's campaign was "I have a plan." A plan for what? Nothing. Kerry had no plan. Kerry had no positions. Kerry was a flip flopper. He was a resume. He was a knee-jerk reaction by thousands of ABB'ers. In short, he was nothing. And Dean's radical idea? Return the 2000 tax structure. LOL.