What logical solution can there be?

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    If were on the topic of books,
    try
    "radical son" by david howarwitz
    "letters to a young conservative" by Dinesh D'Souza
     
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    You have hit the nail on the head! This is why France, Germany, and Russia are opposed to virtually everything the U.S. has done in the past 2 years. They would say that we have violated our own conservative principles by projecting our power around the world, and that we have prosecuted two illegal wars: Afghanistan and Iraq.

    There is an important dimension to the Bush Doctrine that they have completely missed. It is that the U.S. has finally recognized and stepped up to its' responsibility as the only remaining superpower. Like it or not, we are indeed the world's policeman. It is unfortunate that it took 9/11 to bring us to this realization, but since then, we have acted accordingly.

    Could we have done Iraq better...sure, but as RWA and KCM have so mercilessly reminded me, hindsight is 20/20. But the short-term effect of our actions in Iraq are more freedom for the people of Iraq, and a credible presence for us in the region. The long-term effect will be a free, strong, and secure democracy in Iraq. They will be a beacon of freedom to the other oppressed nations of the Arabian peninsula.

    The only aspect of the Bush Doctrine that our "friends" across the ocean focus on is our right to conduct preemptive defensive operations against any threat, anywhere in the world. What the "troica of hiprocracy" (that's my term for the coalition of the stupid: Germany, France and Russia) doesn't want to admit is that the vast majority of nations have cooperated with us in this new era, and actively support our actions. Even the Saudis, Yemen, Bahrain, Pakistan, and Libya have helped us fight the War on Terror. What part of the Bush Doctrine is bad for the world?

    Oh yeah, the part where Germany, France and Russia are marginalized to the extent that they become irrelevant on the world stage. Just drink your beer, eat your cheese, and wait in line for toilet paper and keep your collective yappers shut. We'll do the rest and send you the bill.

    This ends my rant for Wednesday.
     
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    The thing is Monty, everyone wants our projected power, when it benefits them, or their security is threatened. But they abandon us only when our security is also threatened, even though our security by extension is their security. They depend on our power, but don't even want to be our allies when the chips are down. It's disgustingly hypocritical.

    Look monty, we are already effectively a global empire, we're just asking for a little honesty.
     
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    I laughed out loud when GWB instructed the State Department to exclude France, Russia, and Germany from bidding on reconstruction projects in Iraq. I thought Koffi Anan's head was going to explode over that one! Hee, hee!
     
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    You're good monty. You say what you know is true to get us on board, then you tried an appeal to christianity somehow to cover the blatant hypocrisy of our "allies". I called you on it. Now you're back on board. Interesting.
     
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    And this is where I get conflicted.

    As a person, and American, I can very angry when our "allies" do not support us, especially when we are at war with terrorists.

    But as a Christian, I must forgive them for their ignorance and even their open betrayal. The litmus test I use is simple: if Christ can forgive me for my sins, then who am I to withhold forgiveness from my neighbor?

    The way I deal with the natural anger I feel toward our allies, is to try to understand what drives them to make such decisions. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

    I think it is important for us (Americans) to realize that other countries do have the right to agree or disagree with our actions and policies, insomuch as they impact those countries. But we (the U.S.) also has the right and responsibility to have a long memory of such things, and to hold other countries accountable for their choices. And GWB understands this implicitly.
     
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    Monty, your eyes have mesmerized me! Nice Pic.
     
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    Ponder this one. I fully believe the Protestant work ethic, which built up this country through history, is now becoming a liability to those who learn a trade, work hard, but then find their jobs disappearing. Being from middle america, I understand this all too well. Many midwesterners grow up being taught to work hard and that all will be well. Starting a business is still seen a little bit as something that greedy, bad, people who don't want to work do.

    In a globalized environment, our dumb repetitive labor is too expensive. All we have left is our brains. We must work smarter, not harder. According to the Protestant work ethic, this is something a little bit shady, a shortcut, if you will. We must evolve past the limitations of christianity. Though christianity is still very valuable in many of it's pro social, profamily, pro-accountability messages.
     
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    RWA...

    This would be a great topic for the general usa chat room. Do you want to start the thread or should I?
     
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    You go ahead. Feel free to cut and paste anything I wrote. I have to take a shower now. See you in a few.
     

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