To intelligently debate? I don't ask for much. I know my own limitations, even. Often I misread quotes in my rush, sometimes I attribute posts to the wrong people, and I can understand people making mistakes. What I don't understand is the overwhelming tide of complete ignorami who THINK they are intelligently debating the topic of religion, when all they are doing is projecting their own hate and ignorance outward towards those of faith. And it's not just that. They don't understand the WORDS THEY USE. Simple words, like "debate" and "evidence" and "proof". The very words they are using to make their "argument" seem viable, they seem to have no understanding of! It's like arguing with jelly fish. You pick a point, you address it, and they squiggle to some completely unrelated topic or make a ridiculous claim that has absolutely nothing to do with anything associated with the topic they started out with. My 2nd and 3rd graders make better arguments...I've taught them to. I find it incredibly frustrating and sort of scary that people who apparently think quite highly of their communication skills are so clueless as to the level at which they are truly communicating. And I say this as a person who has spent her life communicating. This is my downtime. It isn't the pinnacle of my life. This is representative of what I do when I'm slumming. But I have the feeling that it is representative of the very best that the haters have to offer. And that makes me sad. And it makes me wonder what the hell they do for a living, because I wouldn't want a person who functions at such a level doing something like taking care of my grandma (if I had one, or they had ever spent any time in nursing homes or hospitals) or driving a bus with my kids in it. And it makes me wonder what the hell their parents did at home to so stunt their intellectual development. I had a public education, but I function at a higher level. I already pointed out my 2-3rd graders function at a higher level. I have seen diminished capacity people function at higher levels (sometimes they are very good at argument). So what's the story? I honestly have come to believe it's the devil at work. I used to be really reluctant to say or even think that, it seems so ridiculous to our modern minds...but honestly, I just can't think of any other feasible explanation. These are people who obviously think they are very smart, and who have had some sort of exposure to some sort of substandard education at some point..but they apparently haven't absorbed any of the finer points, and they're so ANGRY. The older I get, the more obvious it is to me. I can hear Satan behind their jeers and their stupidity, and their desperate compulsion to attack and defame the Bible, God and Christians. I just don't think that pathetic hysteria originates with them....I don't think they're complex enough to experience that sort of hatred without a higher intelligence behind them.