What Is "Fair Share of Taxes"?

[kwc57]

]Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair? Fair is a relative term which means different things to different people. There is no set rule for what one thinks is fair. Is it fair that over forty percent of potential taxpayers pay absolutley no taxes at all? They probably think that is fair. But, do people who pay all the taxes think that is fair? Probably not! Is it fair that people who make more the a million dollars a year pay the largest portion of the federal income taxes? You probably think it is fair but they think they are already paying more than their fair share. So, you can see this is a fruitless debate. It all comes down to there is no way for the government to raise people in lower income brackets to higher ones. Each individual can only do that themselves. Since government can not raise these people to higher levels, in their misguided thinking the only thing they can do is knock the higher income people down as far as they can through tax rates. That at best is un-American and at worst tyrannical government.

Do you mean income tax? Payroll tax? FICA tax? Sales tax?

Every millionares pay the same rate on the same amount of income as the poor folks. Time to treat long term capital gains as income. Recend the Bush tax cuts for all. Pass a balanced budget amendment with a plan to pay off the debt. Then we can talk about lowering taxes for everybody.

Considering that 47% of Americans pay no federal income tax, I'm sure there are plenty of millionaires who would jump at that deal. I would, and I'm not even a millionaire.

 

[ThinkCritically]

All of this stuff stresses me out who needs a good laugh
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0]Tim Hawkins - The Government Can[/ame]

 

[The T]

We can't fix the tax code to make it fair or reasonable because we have such a huge budget........If we made it fair (which I am in favor of a flat tax) bureaucratic government agencies would get chopped (which would be a good thing), but the public is to scared to reduce the government (big brother).

All this talk about taxing the wealth more to fix our budget problems is a joke. The additional revenue gained is a drop in the bucket compared to the deficits that big government racks up.

The last laugh will be on the dems if taxes do increase for the wealthy and our government still goes broke.

You could tax everyone that makes >250k/yr at 100% and STILL not balance the budget.

They could take ALL assets/wealth from the 'rich' and not balance the budget at current levels of spending.

 

[bripat9643]

If it's fair to tax everyone the same percent, then the government should spend the same percent on everyone.

What do you mean?

After spending on government overhead (everything that that the Constitution has the federal government do), the de facto function of government is wealth redistribution. A flat tax rate would increase the disproportionate spending of the government, to compensate.

So, a flat tax-rate, without a fix on spending accomplishes nothing other than replacing low-end tax brackets with welfare. Do you prefer welfare to low taxes, for those with modest income?

"De facto function?" What the hell does that mean other than the fact that you think government should redistribute income? Prior to the passage of the 16th Amendment, our government didn't redistribute income. That hasn't been a feature of government until after we all came under the dominion of the mob.

 

[The T]

If it's fair to tax everyone the same percent, then the government should spend the same percent on everyone.

What do you mean?

After spending on government overhead (everything that that the Constitution has the federal government do), the de facto function of government is wealth redistribution. A flat tax rate would increase the disproportionate spending of the government, to compensate.

So, a flat tax-rate, without a fix on spending accomplishes nothing other than replacing low-end tax brackets with welfare. Do you prefer welfare to low taxes, for those with modest income?

No it isn't. Thier 'defacto function' is protecting the citizens of the united States and thier liberty away from intrusive government.

 

[zeke]

How's it fair that I make enough money to employ a lobbyist to buy a Congressperson on the tax writing committee to write tax policy that says that my W2 earnings are now going to be considered "capital gains" and my tax rate gets cut in half.

How is that "fair"? You think poor people and middle class people have lobbyists? Or enough money to buy a politician?

Or I am CEO of a major trucking company. Trucks and warehouses all over the USA. And as a CEO I understand that my companies succeeds because of the interstate highway system. And yes, trucking companies pay a lot in road use tax, but that don't effect the CEO to much.

So anyway, the CEO of this company makes millions a year from trucking.

And many of you think even though he personally benefits greatly from government road building activities, you think his income tax responsibility should be just the same as one of the drivers making much less but still using the roadways for a living.


Or how about the CEO of Haliburton. Using high level contacts to get no bid government contracts allowing the executives of the company to be paid millions. And you don't think that these government teat suckers should pay a higher percentage in income taxes. That they should be treated just as "fairly" as the guy making 15 $ an hour.

I could go on. But you all will just say; that's right. Tax everybody the same. We are all equal. Just that the people with a LOT of money are more equal than the rest of us.

This is why we live in a plutocracy. To many equally dumb and blind people.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Ok liberals lets get rid of the tax exemptions and go flat tax, what's the problem with that? And answer me why do you have to pay a higher rate? Does something magical happen at the tax bracket marks? And why dont democrats pay more than they have to if it's so important, why coerce everyone else to do so? If it doesnt matter to them, fork it over.

 

[The T]

Ok liberals lets get rid of the tax exemptions and go flat tax, what's the problem with that? And answer me why do you have to pay a higher rate? Does something magical happen at the tax bracket marks? And why dont democrats pay more than they have to if it's so important, why coerce everyone else to do so? If it doesnt matter to them, fork it over.

Flat tax. or the FAIRTAX.

Eliminate the tool of Government intrusion called the IRS.

 

[Jarhead]

How's it fair that I make enough money to employ a lobbyist to buy a Congressperson on the tax writing committee to write tax policy that says that my W2 earnings are now going to be considered "capital gains" and my tax rate gets cut in half.

How is that "fair"? You think poor people and middle class people have lobbyists? Or enough money to buy a politician?

Or I am CEO of a major trucking company. Trucks and warehouses all over the USA. And as a CEO I understand that my companies succeeds because of the interstate highway system. And yes, trucking companies pay a lot in road use tax, but that don't effect the CEO to much.

So anyway, the CEO of this company makes millions a year from trucking.

And many of you think even though he personally benefits greatly from government road building activities, you think his income tax responsibility should be just the same as one of the drivers making much less but still using the roadways for a living.


Or how about the CEO of Haliburton. Using high level contacts to get no bid government contracts allowing the executives of the company to be paid millions. And you don't think that these government teat suckers should pay a higher percentage in income taxes. That they should be treated just as "fairly" as the guy making 15 $ an hour.

I could go on. But you all will just say; that's right. Tax everybody the same. We are all equal. Just that the people with a LOT of money are more equal than the rest of us.

This is why we live in a plutocracy. To many equally dumb and blind people.

I dont get it...even you agree that the owner of a trucking company pays taxes based on the amount of usage of the roads...as well as tolls.....so why should his personal income tax have anything to do with it? His profit is affected by those road usage taxes.

As for the other stuff...elect honest politicians.....I mean....let me ask you something....who do you blame...the CEO that calls a friend in congress and asks for a favor...or the congress person who grants him that favor?

How about looking at it this way....you never used an "insider" to get an advantage?

What is wrong with trying to capitalize on "sopmeone you know"...we all do it. It is up to the "one you know" to decide if the favor should be granted.

I fear you dont realiuze this....but all you are is jealous...that is not meant as a criticism...but look at what you wrote....you are exuding jealousy.

 

[BlindBoo]

]Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair? Fair is a relative term which means different things to different people. There is no set rule for what one thinks is fair. Is it fair that over forty percent of potential taxpayers pay absolutley no taxes at all? They probably think that is fair. But, do people who pay all the taxes think that is fair? Probably not! Is it fair that people who make more the a million dollars a year pay the largest portion of the federal income taxes? You probably think it is fair but they think they are already paying more than their fair share. So, you can see this is a fruitless debate. It all comes down to there is no way for the government to raise people in lower income brackets to higher ones. Each individual can only do that themselves. Since government can not raise these people to higher levels, in their misguided thinking the only thing they can do is knock the higher income people down as far as they can through tax rates. That at best is un-American and at worst tyrannical government.

Do you mean income tax? Payroll tax? FICA tax? Sales tax?

Every millionares pay the same rate on the same amount of income as the poor folks. Time to treat long term capital gains as income. Recend the Bush tax cuts for all. Pass a balanced budget amendment with a plan to pay off the debt. Then we can talk about lowering taxes for everybody.

Considering that 47% of Americans pay no federal income tax, I'm sure there are plenty of millionaires who would jump at that deal. I would, and I'm not even a millionaire.

A person making 1,000,000 dollars will pay the same rate on the first 100,000 as the person who makes only 100,000. So in effect you already have the deal.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Ok liberals lets get rid of the tax exemptions and go flat tax, what's the problem with that? And answer me why do you have to pay a higher rate? Does something magical happen at the tax bracket marks? And why dont democrats pay more than they have to if it's so important, why coerce everyone else to do so? If it doesnt matter to them, fork it over.

Flat tax. or the FAIRTAX.

Eliminate the tool of Government intrusion called the IRS.

Actually I'd like to go to a national sales tax to replace the income tax, but I'll take the flat tax as of now. Have everyone (even welfare cheats) pay the tax so when they raise it, they got some splaining to do and tell us how we ALL benefit from said program.

 

[g5000]

Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair?

"Fair" is deciding who has "earned" their money, and who hasn't. There are some people making money who didn't earn it and we cannot abide that. We need to take away their money that was not "earned" and give it to people who...uh...ummmm...didn't ear-, er, deserve the money. Because.

Yeah, that's it. Because.

At the very least, the government needs to take away that unearned money and spend it. It's wrong to let those rich people keep it or spend it themselves. Just morally wrong.

Yeah. I'm going with that.

The government must do something about rich people.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Fair is alot like racist, only democrats can apparently define it, noone else is smart enough. These are the same people that think Castro is a humanitarian, so that's why it's so confusing.

 

[SniperFire]

"Fair" is deciding who has "earned" their money, and who hasn't.

Where is that in the Communist Manisfesto, exactly?

 

[The T]

Ok liberals lets get rid of the tax exemptions and go flat tax, what's the problem with that? And answer me why do you have to pay a higher rate? Does something magical happen at the tax bracket marks? And why dont democrats pay more than they have to if it's so important, why coerce everyone else to do so? If it doesnt matter to them, fork it over.

Flat tax. or the FAIRTAX.

Eliminate the tool of Government intrusion called the IRS.

Actually I'd like to go to a national sales tax to replace the income tax, but I'll take the flat tax as of now. Have everyone (even welfare cheats) pay the tax so when they raise it, they got some splaining to do and tell us how we ALL benefit from said program.

Returning the system to taxing commerce would be a good thing. The Founders NEVER wished to tax income directly.

 

[Ariux]

Want to know why a flat tax is retarded?

You earn 200,000. The government takes half. You're not STARVING.
You earn 20,000...the government takes half. You're out on the street.

Flat taxes fall MUCH more heavily on poor people. Which is why most countries don't do it, you fucking tardbuckets.

Who here has advocated for a 50% flat tax?

You, that's who.

You say the average person pays 11% income tax. Add to that payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and state income taxes, and we're near 50%. The proposed national sales tax (so-called Fair Tax) is 23% (but, it comes with a significant universal rebate), to maintain parity with current IRS individual tax revenues. The Pizza Boy, who tanked God Father's Pizza, proposed 9% flat income tax + 9% national sales tax, to maintain parity current IRS individual tax revenues.

 

[The T]

Want to know why a flat tax is retarded?

You earn 200,000. The government takes half. You're not STARVING.
You earn 20,000...the government takes half. You're out on the street.

Flat taxes fall MUCH more heavily on poor people. Which is why most countries don't do it, you fucking tardbuckets.

Who here has advocated for a 50% flat tax?

You, that's who.

You say the average person pays 11% income tax. Add to that payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and state income taxes, and we're near 50%. The proposed national sales tax (so-called Fair Tax) is 23% (but, it comes with a significant universal rebate), to maintain parity with current IRS individual tax revenues. The Pizza Boy, who tanked God Father's Pizza, proposed 9% flat income tax + 9% national sales tax, to maintain parity current IRS individual tax revenues.

WHY is there even a REBATE? Could it BE thatGovernment is taxing way too much?

NAH...couldn't be that could it?

 

[Clementine]

]Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair? Fair is a relative term which means different things to different people. There is no set rule for what one thinks is fair. Is it fair that over forty percent of potential taxpayers pay absolutley no taxes at all? They probably think that is fair. But, do people who pay all the taxes think that is fair? Probably not! Is it fair that people who make more the a million dollars a year pay the largest portion of the federal income taxes? You probably think it is fair but they think they are already paying more than their fair share. So, you can see this is a fruitless debate. It all comes down to there is no way for the government to raise people in lower income brackets to higher ones. Each individual can only do that themselves. Since government can not raise these people to higher levels, in their misguided thinking the only thing they can do is knock the higher income people down as far as they can through tax rates. That at best is un-American and at worst tyrannical government.

Well, in socialist countries like Canada, then about half is deemed fair. Right now, I think it's 49%. When the ultra liberals were in office, 52% was "fair."

 

[g5000]

"Fair" is deciding who has "earned" their money, and who hasn't.

Where is that in the Communist Manisfesto, exactly?

It's in the Cliff Notes of the Manifesto. Which I haven't read. Yet.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

I'm writing my Democratic Congressman and Democratic Senators to ask them to make it a law that you have to prove you EARNED your money. If you can't prove it, the government gets to take it and go to Vegas with it.

You gotta better plan? Huh? Do ya? Huh?

 

[g5000]

WHY is there even a REBATE? Could it BE thatGovernment is taxing way too much?

NAH...couldn't be that could it?

Nope. The rebate is to make it less regressive.