What have you changed your mind about? Why?

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    While the focus of the article is on how science has changed you, all answers welcome.

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    The Edge Annual Question — 2008

    "When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
    When God changes your mind, that's faith.
    When facts change your mind, that's science.

    Science is based on evidence. What happens when the data change? How have scientific findings or arguments changed your mind?"

    http://www.edge.org/

    "Since I wrote my piece on this year's show of scientific humility for the New Year's day paper some big names have added their thoughts to the mix.

    Here's evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins on how being a "flip-flopper" is no bad thing in science...

    The controversial geneticist Craig Venter has had a change of heart about the capacity of our planet to soak up the punishment humanity is throwing at it...

    There are also interesting contributions from Simon Baron-Cohen, the University of Cambridge autism researcher who has changed his mind about equality; psychologist Susan Blackmore, who has gone from embracing the paranormal to debunking it; and artist and composer Brian Eno, who was once seduced by Maoism, but now believes it is a "monstrosity".

    Helena Cronin, a philosopher at the London School of Economics, turns her attention to why men appear far more successful than women, by persistently walking off with the top positions and prizes in life — from being heads of state to winning Nobels.

    Dr Cronin used to think it was down to sex differences in innate talents, tastes and temperament. But now she believes it has also something to do with the fact that women cluster around a statistical average, whereas men are more likely to be represented at the extreme ends of the normal spectrum — both at the top and the bottom.

    Some replies to the Edge question ponder the perennial problem of God. Professor Patrick Bateson of Cambridge University has changed his mind on what to call himself after meeting a virulent creationist. He is no longer an agnostic but an atheist. Meanwhile the actor and writer Alan Alda said that he has changed his mind about God — twice."
     
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    I changed my mind on "civil Unions" I think the US Government and State Governments should get out of the Marriage Business altogether. The current benefits and laws for marriage should be rewritten for " Civil Unions".

    Why? Because the Constitution provides that every State must honor the laws of every other State. Gay Marriage is not acceptable in MOST of the States. A suggestion was even floated in Congress to allow States to dishonor marriages from States that grant Homosexual Couples the right to marry.

    Absolutely unacceptable.

    Turn "marriage" over to religion and since the laws are mostly written to control assets and legal custody and such, go with Civil Unions.
     
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    RGS, While I don't want to see this turn into a discussion of gay rights, I changed my mind in the other direction and at first thought civil unions were sufficient but now disagree. While not the primary reason, my brother and his partner cannot share in the pension of one as the rights of gays in these situations are limited. And I think rights should be established at the federal level and not left to the state. The constitution does not have different rights for some written into it, last I checked.
     
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    Thats what I mean. If there is no more Government sponsored Marriage and the laws all deal with civil Union that simply won't happen then. And I agree if the Union does not grant equal protection to all then it is useless. In other words marriage would simply be a religious ceremony. All laws would deal with civil Unions.
     
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    I changed my mind on going to college, at least not right right after high school. I thought about it, so I guess it was philosophy!

    I generally change over time and gradually of what my thoughts behind the role and purpose of government is and should be.
     
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    I changed my mind about the second amendment. I was debating gun issues on my previous board and taking the side of a complete ban on handguns using the stats provided by the Japanese and British examples. Some kid posted a reply to the effect of, "I'm not trying to rob anyone, man, I just want to shoot some guns." Well, to be honest, I enjoyed that to. Both of my grandfathrs gave me guns as heirlooms. Memorial days and Labor days at Mark Twain lake usually do always have a time for the family to target shoot at milk jugs filled with frozen colored water. Eureka! It's true that America's Uncle Bobs really are not acting criminal just because their choice of fun involved firearms. Also, Constitutionally, it is necessary to apply the same interpretation of assumed liberty to the second as I think applies to the first.


    Guns, themselves, are not the mitigating factor in criminal behaviour and I remembered how it felt when the PMRC and that bitch, tipper gore, were busy witch-hunting, literally, my choice of music as a kid. I came to empathize with gun rights advocates whose choice of past time is as inherently benign, despite an opinionated uproar, as the music in my stereo.




    also, Abortion


    I've swung across the full spectrum on this one. Originally, being raised christian, I followed the flock and demonized abortion. Then, I came to understand what kind of audacity it takes for the state to decide something about an individual's body. However, while it is true that women should have as much autonomy about their body as men enjoy, it is also true that being pro-CHOICE doesn't have to assume that CHOICES are only made when deciding to have an abortion. Now, I have no personal interest in making anyone conform to any standard of sexual behaviour. I've said it before and I'll say It again: Never underestimate the power of the female libido. BUT, being a child of the 90s, women have all the CHOICE in the world to prevent unwanted pregnancy besides abortion. This is why I advocate sex ed, all forms of birth control AND fully respect the female libido. Hell, AIDS is a good reason to be responsible with personal sexuality. NOW, being a man I realize that I really have no dog in this race. If anything, I think it's a shame that so many genetic variation and their life potential goes to waste. These days, I am interested in a workable compromise between the two polar schools of thought: Ban all abortions if there is a fetal heartbeat while providing every method available to circumvent pregnancy. Yes, the idea of the state deciding something about a person's body is abhorrent but, if there is a fetal heartbeat, there are TWO BODIES in the equasion. I won't catagorize a zygote as the same thing as a fetus but there is a reason why butchered fetal chunks invokes negative emotions. Further, it is a shame that women's rights must align with pro-abortion when it is their very right to choose any sexual practice that creates the conflict of abortion. By all means, fuck like a minx. But, the liberty to do so shouldn't facilitate the destruction of another human being.


    my 4 cents.
     
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    I used to be a flaming lazie-fair capitalist. Government should remove all social services and encourage people to sink or swim on their own. The people who were facing difficult times were simply lazy and brought the hardships on their own. Those who were successful were that way purely due to their own hard work.

    Then I learned about the severely mentally and physically disabled. I learned that many people get stuck though no clearly foreseeable turn of events. They get laid off due to an employer’s shady business practices and then get severely sick while trying to make ends meet.

    I become a raving socialist. Those that lucked out and became wealthy should be forced to share a great deal of their money. Spread the wealth. The big CEO’s that make 10 times what the littlest peon makes should have his salary reduced and the others’ salaries doubled. Let’s always keep the field even.

    Then I learned that socialism does a poor job in encouraging people to be productive. It can condition people to be lazy and to forever rely on and expect government to help them no matter the circumstances.

    Now, I consider myself a moderate. Perhaps I lean toward the left on some issues. Perhaps I lean toward the right on other issues. But I strongly believe that too much one way or the other is not good.
     
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    Over how long of a period of time did you make these transformations? Just curious; those are two polar opposites.
     
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    In our house our parents had so many kids we were lucky we finished HS. Do you regret not going right away? I think in those days - I am assuming you are older - college didn't mean what it does today. Government should be 'we the people,' but that is another discussion.
     
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    Shogun, living in a city, too many guns are scary things, most people are a little nuts. You asked me some time ago if I ever used guns when I was having fun on that one thread. Yes, many times, even hunted and re-loaded bullets. Actually young I was a sharpshooter had the vision of a hawk.

    Abortion, I know good people who have had abortions after having the children they wanted. We need good education and preventative measures. Given 1 out of four or more conceptions end naturally before developing further, and none of us do what my crazy Catholic parents did, we should educate and allow the woman to decide the next steps, it's her responsibility.
     
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