What about Palestine?

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    Historically - there is no Palestine ... No Palestinian people ... language ... culture ... religion ... economy etc! Yet we see claims of descent from a "Palestinian people" who supposedly lived in a land called "Palestine" for thousands of years.

    That land was the Land of Canaan, inhabited by Canaanites.
    " ... the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan." Numbers 13:29
    (See Also: Genesis 12:5 ... Genesis 13:12 ... Exodous 13:11 etc. )

    This same land later became the land of Israel. When God gave it to His Chosen People.

    "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."Genesis 17:8 (KJV)

    "Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:)" Numbers 34:2 (KJV) .

    Other Scripture referances were cited earlier on this page concerning "the Promised Land" given to Israel by God. So we will not repeat those here. You can also read about the children of Israel coming into the PROMISED LAND (First Canaan - Then Israel) througout the Book of Joshua.

    So what is Palestine? ... The name Palestine comes from the "Philistines" (Ancient Israel's enemies!)

    The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power. Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. ( Joseph Farah, Arab-American Editor and Journalist, WorldNetDaily 10/11/00 ... Myths of the Middle East)

    How Did the Land of Israel Become "Palestine"? ... In the First Century CE, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. After the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in the Second Century CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina. The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived still alive and free left the devastated country, but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly. (Tzemach News Service - The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians")

    From that time those living in the land - now being dubbed "Palestine" were called "Palestinians".
    Including the Jews! (During WWII the British Army had a Palestinian Brigade made up of entirely Jewish volunteers ... The Palestinian Symphony Orchastra was all Jewish ... The Palestinian Post had been a Jewish newspaper!)

    But in 1948 - when "Palestine" became Israel again - the Arabs who fled began to claim that they were the "True Palestinians" and that this land had always belonged to them! When in actuality in 1948 the Arabs owned about 3% of so-called Palestine. Those who now claim to be "Palestinians" are Arabs by birth, language, Islamic religion and culture.

    Israel's claim to the land goes back over 4000 years to Abraham's purchase of the cave of Machpelah (See: Genesis Chapter 23 ) There Abraham buried his wife Sarah. And Abraham, Issac, Rebeccah, Jacob and Leah are also buried there.

    "Indisputably, the land of Israel ("from the river of Egypt unto the great river... Euphrates" - Gn 15:18-21) was given to the Jews forever. God declared, "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine..." (Lv 25:23). In blatant disobedience, Israel's leaders have been trading land for "peace" with Arafat, who has sworn to exterminate Israel. Israel has abandoned the biblical conviction expressed by her first premier, David Ben Gurion:

    Our right to this Land in its entirety is steadfast, inalienable and eternal....This right...cannot be forfeited under any circumstance...[Israelis] have neither the power nor the jurisdiction to negate it for future generations to come....And until the coming of the Great Redemption, we shall never yield this historic right.

    To further make certain that all mankind understands that the Jews are God's chosen people, the word "Israel" dominates the Bible, appearing 2,565 times in 2,293 verses. In contrast, Arabians are mentioned only ten times.
     
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    After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

    In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

    In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.
     
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    The point is, the Palestinians claim they were there first, when there is no way that they were.

    I know what the UN did and I know that the Palestinians decided not to accept it.
     
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    Who expelled the Palestinians in '48 and why did the rest feel as if they had to flee territories given to them by the UN?
     
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    IN 1948 the Palestinians rejected the UN offer and never formed their Palestinian State. They, along with the surrounding Arab countries, instead declared war on the new Israeli State. Israel is the only one that followed the mandate of the UN at the time.

    Nobody expelled he Palestinians from the land they were given. If they left, they left on their own. I believe they did so just so they could turn around and say they were expelled. Frankly, there were not that many "Palestinians" in Palestine at the time. They mostly lived in Jordan as that is where the work was.
     
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    The British government published a new White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British and the Palestinians. The aim was to drive them both out of Palestine and to pave the way for the establishment of the Zionist state.

    Seems as if the Zionist movement didnt like the deal and began fighting. As for "Palestininans" it's just a matter of semantics. They were Arabs who were living in Palestine who now have no homeland due to the Arab and Zionist dispute.
     
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    When was this British White Paper? I am talking about 1948. You are going back before then. Read the thread "clueless" and you will see.

    But you are right in including the Arabs in stating why the Palestinians have no homeland. They could have in 1948 if they would have followed the UN mandate.
     
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    Immediatley prior to WW11 by the Peel Commission. Seems what started out as a negotiation turned into war. Israel wasn't completely innocent here either. They were attacking Arabs in Palestine before war "officially' broke out. Now we have 2 Semitic tribes with financial allies duking it out over religion. What a mess.
     
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    What mess do you refer to? The country now known as Israel has been a possession of the Hebrew people for more than 3,000 years. The Jews have been attacked by many nations like the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans and others but there was always a presence of the Hebrew people in this little strip of land.

    The fact that the UN tried to divide an established country by mandate has zero validity. What effect would a UN mandate that the United States was to be divided along the Mississippi river with all the land west of the river to belong to the indigenous American Indians? Would President Bush yield to the UN resolution?

    By International Law, any country that is attacked by its neighbors or any foreign country and wins its own land back is entitled to keep its land until a stronger country can take it away by war and not be edict. European country's borders are now fixed but have changed many times in the past eons by wars of acquisition and not by contract or resolutions by any world bodies.

    Israel was not guilty by any measure as it did not indiscriminately attack Arabs but did only so to protect themselves from attack. The Arabs (Palestinians) admit that they do not desire the land of Israel as a possession for themselves. They simply and honestly state that all the land of the world is holy to them and that all the people of the world must convert to Islam or be destroyed.

    It isn't complicated.......
     
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    exactamundo!
     

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