Well, that settles that! Birthers can go home now.....

[LibocalypseNow]

Looks like the Governor is conveniently back-tracking on his promises. Go figure?

 

[geauxtohell]

Didn't one of their Democrat politicians promise to release the official document to the public? I'm pretty sure i saw Democrat wingers on here boasting about that politician "Taking On" birthers. Well where'd he go? He still hasn't released the official document. In fact now they're saying they wont ever release it. Something still doesn't seem right with this issue. We'll never get real answers. It is what it is i guess.

He can't release the document legally.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3238364-post18.html

Try and keep up.

 

[Retread Ol' 37]

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

When the birthers can produce a Kenyan (or wherever) birth certificate they might have a case.

Until then, they're just pissing in the wind.

I am not a birther but no, thats not the way it works, there is a REQUIREMENT, that the pres. is born here or is born in/under a condition ala a uS base that recognizes and confers citizenship.

I would imagine that somehow somewhere someone in in the gov. in some deep back closet for an office had to check/confirm that he was indeed a citizen and saw proof to meet the criteria, this dept, person whomever should just step and say so an put this all to bed.

The fact that no federal authority had openly disqualified his candidacy, I would think, is their way of saying so and putting this all to bed, no?

 

[Mini 14]

Arizona and several other States have passed resolutions requiring official birth certifications before being placed on their ballots. The certificate of live birth does not qualify in some of those States (all?).

So it will be addressed in 2012, assuming Obama wants to try for a 2nd term. He'll either have to give Hawaii permission to release what they have, or he won't be on the ballot in all 50 States.

 

[geauxtohell]

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

When the birthers can produce a Kenyan (or wherever) birth certificate they might have a case.

Until then, they're just pissing in the wind.

I am not a birther but no, thats not the way it works, there is a REQUIREMENT, that the pres. is born here or is born in/under a condition ala a uS base that recognizes and confers citizenship.

I would imagine that somehow somewhere someone in in the gov. in some deep back closet for an office had to check/confirm that he was indeed a citizen and saw proof to meet the criteria, this dept, person whomever should just step and say so an put this all to bed.

The fact that no federal authority had openly disqualified his candidacy, I would think, is their way of saying so and putting this all to bed, no?

It's a fallacy to think that the BC issue will ever be put to bed. This issue isn't at all about the legalities of Obama's citizenship. It's simply a political attack on Obama that is meant to stir up doubts about him.

To be sure, the foot soldiers in the birther Army are complete morons. However, many of the commentators (people like Corsi) are long-time conservative operatives whose only interest is keeping this issue in the press so that it costs Obama votes in 2012.

In short, this is Obama's "Arkansas Project".

Arkansas Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not surprisingly, the leads on the Arkansas Project, Ruddy and Farah, went on to fund Newsmax and World Net Daily (which now employs Corsi).

Richard Mellon Scaife helped fund the "Arkansas Project" and I wouldn't be surprised if there was big money somewhere behind the BC issue (though not necessarily Scaife).

I don't mean this to sound like a conspiracy theory. In fact, I think it's the opposite of that. It's politics as usual. This is just an attempt to smear Obama with the best cards the far right wing has available to them.

As it stands, those cards are that he has a different ethnicity and background than most Americans.

*edit*:

By "far right" I mean far-far-far right. To the credit of Limbaugh, Beck and most GOP politicians, they have never bitten on this nonsense.

 

[Mini 14]

I think its also important to note where the question regarding the legitimacy of his "certificate of lie birth" arose:

Hillary Clinton was the first to publicly question the document and his eligibility to run for President.

 

[geauxtohell]

Arizona and several other States have passed resolutions requiring official birth certifications before being placed on their ballots. The certificate of live birth does not qualify in some of those States (all?).

So it will be addressed in 2012, assuming Obama wants to try for a 2nd term. He'll either have to give Hawaii permission to release what they have, or he won't be on the ballot in all 50 States.

I am not a lawyer, but there is a law about this which is going to render Arizona's law moot.

I can't quote it ver batum, but as I understand it, one state can't compel another state to change it's policies.

If you guys want to beat Obama, you'll have to do it in the polls. You aren't going to get away with a bunch of shenanigans to circumvent the electoral process.

The Arizona Republic's editorial board opines energetically on the legislation:

Secretary of State Ken Bennett - who lives in the real world, not on conspiracy island - points out that it could be unconstitutional for a state to impose its own requirements on federal office.

The proposed legislation, an amendment to Senate Bill 1024 sponsored by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, is worse than a foolish waste of time. It suggests Arizona is a place where any crackpot whim can be enshrined in law.

What is Arizona? A state of rugged individualists or a swamp of breathless fanatics? If legislators fall for this one, they'll be trading in our Stetson for a tin-foil hat.

Arizona Birther Bill Would Require Obama's Birth Paper : The Two-Way : NPR

 

[The Infidel]

Funny how a piece of paper makes you people crazy.

Yep.... damn that US Constitution!

 

[The Infidel]

I am not a lawyer

I had no idea

 

[goldcatt]

Arizona and several other States have passed resolutions requiring official birth certifications before being placed on their ballots. The certificate of live birth does not qualify in some of those States (all?).

So it will be addressed in 2012, assuming Obama wants to try for a 2nd term. He'll either have to give Hawaii permission to release what they have, or he won't be on the ballot in all 50 States.

Under Article 4, Full Faith and Credit, what qualifies as a legal birth certificate is what Congress tells them qualifies as a legal birth certificate. And that means a COLB is sufficient.

They can start a pissing match between the States all they want, but that will only do one of two things: Play directly into Obama's hands as a victim of institutionalized racism when all other candidates' BC's are accepted but his, or we have a massive State v. State v. State free for all in a Court cage match to the embarrassment when ALL candidates' short form BC's are rejected, ending with some birfer legislators scraping egg off their faces

They can go ahead and try it though. Sure a smart thing to do.

 

[Mini 14]

Arizona and several other States have passed resolutions requiring official birth certifications before being placed on their ballots. The certificate of live birth does not qualify in some of those States (all?).

So it will be addressed in 2012, assuming Obama wants to try for a 2nd term. He'll either have to give Hawaii permission to release what they have, or he won't be on the ballot in all 50 States.

I am not a lawyer, but there is a law about this which is going to render Arizona's law moot.

I can't quote it ver batum, but as I understand it, one state can't compel another state to change it's policies.

If you guys want to beat Obama, you'll have to do it in the polls. You aren't going to get away with a bunch of shenanigans to circumvent the electoral process.

The Arizona Republic's editorial board opines energetically on the legislation:

Secretary of State Ken Bennett - who lives in the real world, not on conspiracy island - points out that it could be unconstitutional for a state to impose its own requirements on federal office.

The proposed legislation, an amendment to Senate Bill 1024 sponsored by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, is worse than a foolish waste of time. It suggests Arizona is a place where any crackpot whim can be enshrined in law.

What is Arizona? A state of rugged individualists or a swamp of breathless fanatics? If legislators fall for this one, they'll be trading in our Stetson for a tin-foil hat.

Arizona Birther Bill Would Require Obama's Birth Paper : The Two-Way : NPR

I think they will produce a certificate (something other than the COLB).

And I think the birthers will say it is a fake as well.

I'm pretty sure the resolution passed and became an Arizona law. If memory serves me correctly, it was in September or so of last year? But I agree with you that unless and until 24 other States pass similar resolutions, the Supreme Court would likely rule that a Federally certified candidate must be on every State's ballot.

 

[geauxtohell]

Under Article 4, Full Faith and Credit, what qualifies as a legal birth certificate is what Congress tells them qualifies as a legal birth certificate. And that means a COLB is sufficient.

They can start a pissing match between the States all they want, but that will only do one of two things: Play directly into Obama's hands as a victim of institutionalized racism when all other candidates' BC's are accepted but his, or we have a massive State v. State v. State free for all in a Court cage match to the embarrassment when ALL candidates' short form BC's are rejected, ending with some birfer legislators scraping egg off their faces

They can go ahead and try it though. Sure a smart thing to do.

Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make.

 

[007]

Arizona and several other States have passed resolutions requiring official birth certifications before being placed on their ballots. The certificate of live birth does not qualify in some of those States (all?).

So it will be addressed in 2012, assuming Obama wants to try for a 2nd term. He'll either have to give Hawaii permission to release what they have, or he won't be on the ballot in all 50 States.

Under Article 4, Full Faith and Credit, what qualifies as a legal birth certificate is what Congress tells them qualifies as a legal birth certificate. And that means a COLB is sufficient.

They can start a pissing match between the States all they want, but that will only do one of two things: Play directly into Obama's hands as a victim of institutionalized racism when all other candidates' BC's are accepted but his, or we have a massive State v. State v. State free for all in a Court cage match to the embarrassment when ALL candidates' short form BC's are rejected, ending with some birfer legislators scraping egg off their faces

They can go ahead and try it though. Sure a smart thing to do.

As true as that statement is, when you use the acronym "COLB," that can mean either one of two different things. One, CERTIFICATION of live birth, or two, CERTIFICATE of live birth. The prior, as obama has produced, contains NO information WHAT SO EVER as to WHERE HE WAS BORN, WHO DELIVERED HIM, THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL, NOTHING. The second, contains all of that information.

So therein lies the problem. What obama has produced, and what HAS BEEN ACCEPTED, still provides NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER AS TO WHERE HE WAS BORN, the only thing it proves is that HE WAS BORN, PERIOD.

Now states know this and they've been passing laws to prevent it from happening again, and no matter how the obama ass kissers and worshipers here care to spin it, and no matter how nasty and shitty they get with insults against those who want the truth, this issue is going to blow up once again come election time, and this time I don't see some of the people backing down. I see protests and possible riots over this UNLESS obama releases this fabled, real B.C., and yes, the good governor of Hawaii is right, it will hurt obama if he keeps up this hiding it.

End of story.

 

[geauxtohell]

As true as that statement is, when you use the acronym "COLB," that can mean either one of two different things. One, CERTIFICATION of live birth, or two, CERTIFICATE of live birth. The prior, as obama has produced, contains NO information WHAT SO EVER as to WHERE HE WAS BORN, WHO DELIVERED HIM, THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL, NOTHING. The second, contains all of that information.

The information that the state of Hawaii produced at the request of the Obama administration is the only documentation they release per their own laws. If you were born in the state of Hawaii (as Terry Lakin's daughter was) and you requested your birth certificate, you would get a COLB. The COLBs from Hawaii have "prima facie in a court of law" stamped on front of them for a reason. That's all they issue now. None of them have the extra information you requested. They didn't create a special document for Obama. That is the standard as set forth by the State of Hawaii and they are hardly the only state to do this.

So therein lies the problem. What obama has produced, and what HAS BEEN ACCEPTED, still provides NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER AS TO WHERE HE WAS BORN, the only thing it proves is that HE WAS BORN, PERIOD.

It's not a problem. The state of Hawaii has confirmed he has a "long form birth certificate" to match his COLB. Thus, the legal requirements to prove he was an American Citizen were satisfied and the sane world doesn't give a flip about this. It's another reason the birthers are 0-72 in court hearings on this issue.

You don't get to pitch a hissy fit and change the laws of this nation, as Terry Lakin just found out.

Now states know this and they've been passing laws to prevent it from happening again,

Laws that will be struck down as soon as they are challenged.

and no matter how the obama ass kissers and worshipers here care to spin it, and no matter how nasty and shitty they get with insults against those who want the truth, this issue is going to blow up once again come election time, and this time I don't see some of the people backing down. I see protests and possible riots

You over-estimate the power of birthers. But, by all means, riot away and enjoy your time in county lock up. Again, your threats of violence aren't going to change established law in this nation.

over this UNLESS obama releases this fabled, real B.C., and yes, the good governor of Hawaii is right, it will hurt obama if he keeps up this hiding it.

End of story.

Why should the verification process for the 2012 election be any different than 2008? In fact, I don't see why Obama will even have to prove citizenship, as he has already done that.

 

[goldcatt]

Pale doesn't understand the constitution he claims he's defending is all. Article 4 Section 1 is clear, as is the US Code promulgated from it, most recently updated in 1998. A "short form" birth certificate is currently accepted from all states as proof of citizenship for all born citizens. Congress makes the rules on what form records must take in order to be accepted by other states, that's all she wrote.

But sure...go ahead and start a battle royale between the States over it. It would be idiotic, unconstitutional, a complete waste of taxpayer money and a total embarrassment to the birfer clan, but it sure would be fun to watch.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, thankfully Hawaii is the smallest of our 57 states.


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[geauxtohell]

Pale doesn't understand the constitution he claims he's defending is all. Article 4 Section 1 is clear, as is the US Code promulgated from it, most recently updated in 1998. A "short form" birth certificate is currently accepted from all states as proof of citizenship for all born citizens. Congress makes the rules on what form records must take in order to be accepted by other states, that's all she wrote.

But sure...go ahead and start a battle royale between the States over it. It would be idiotic, unconstitutional, a complete waste of taxpayer money and a total embarrassment to the birfer clan, but it sure would be fun to watch.

I suspect the Arizona law will find it's way to federal court.

I suspect it will be a short hearing.

It makes no logical sense that Arizona could pass a law that would require Hawaii to change it's laws.

BTW: I've tried to rep you like 15 times today. Alas, I am tapped out on you.

 

[Muhammed]

According to the US Constitution, Obama is not eligible to be US president because his father was not a US Citizen.

Plain and simple.

The "birther movement" is simply a distraction from that fact.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Well, thankfully Hawaii is the smallest of our 57 states.


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I thought that was Rhode Island?

 

[geauxtohell]

According to the US Constitution, Obama is not eligible to be US president because his father was not a US Citizen.

Plain and simple.

The "birther movement" is simply a distraction from that fact.

Wrong, skippy.

But nice try. It at least makes more sense than the BC nonsense.