We Wouldn't Be In This Mess With Iran If

[OldLady]

Meanwhile, evidence that Iran is not quite so stupid as some people think:
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has dismissed new sanctions the United States imposed on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei as "outrageous and idiotic" and described the White House as "mentally retarded".

In a speech broadcast live on Iranian state television on Tuesday, Rouhani said sanctions against Khamenei would fail because he had no assets abroad and described the latest round of sanctions as a sign of US desperation.

"The White House actions mean it is mentally retarded," Rouhani said, adding that Tehran's "strategic patience" should not be mistaken for fear.
Iran's Rouhani calls White House actions 'mentally retarded'

The 'I Hate America' in you just comes out so easily

It's not working, Edgetho, the tack Trump is taking. His unilateral sanctions have not been agreed to by other countries, making them less effective; he has effectively shut himself out of any negotiations involving nuclear arms with Iran by pulling out of the deal; and there is quite a lot of speculation about who is telling the truth about the recent antagonisms in the Straits of Hormuz.
It IS a mess, Trump has no idea what to do about it (hence his story of hero antics in the Situation Room which never happened) and Trump's own degrading of statesmen's public discourse has now seeped to the Middle East and even the President of Iran.
"Mentally retarded." LOL Are we sure he isn't a poster on USMB?

 

[Lesh]

We Wouldn't be in this mess if the Idiot In Chief hadn't let Bolton talk him into pulling out of the Iran Nuke agreement.

You'll recall that issue was why General Mattis quit

We never had a legal agreement. It was never ratified.

That doesn't mean it wasn't being followed by both parties...and it was

 

[bendog]

We Wouldn't be in this mess if the Idiot In Chief hadn't let Bolton talk him into pulling out of the Iran Nuke agreement.

You'll recall that issue was why General Mattis quit

We never had a legal agreement. It was never ratified.

That doesn't mean it wasn't being followed by both parties...and it was

Or that is wasn't "legal."

Trump was going to kill it just because Obama touched it. But Trump had a softer way to do it, but his for policy team just sucks. Tillerson, jesus. Pompeo? He can't even stand up to Bolton.

But even if it was a Romney or Corker or Kyl or even Ayotte …. they wouldn't have been able to show Trump he could make his own coaltion for enforcing behavior on Iran that prevented funding stirring up trouble for other countries.

It was Trump.

But if the past is any guide, Trump will muddle along and then the "crisis" will calm down.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We sold saddam chemical weapons in the 80's to support their opposition to Iran.

Kind of, but not really. We sold them materials. They made the chem weapons. When we sell unenriched uranium, we aren't selling nuclear weapons.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We Wouldn't be in this mess if the Idiot In Chief hadn't let Bolton talk him into pulling out of the Iran Nuke agreement.

You'll recall that issue was why General Mattis quit

We never had a legal agreement. It was never ratified.

That doesn't mean it wasn't being followed by both parties...and it was

It was never ratified because it had no teeth to it. It was laughable.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It was never ratified because it had no teeth to it.

Wrong. It was never ratified because republican babies couldnt bring themselves to do something that might reflect positively on Obama. And for literally no other reason. They basically admitted it, you know. You have been released from carrying their water on this one. You're welcome.

 

[Terri4Trump]

The day Iran invaded our Embassy and took our hostages we should have wiped them off the face of the earth.
Imagine the chilling ripple effect that would have had. Hundred of later hostage situations might never have happened if we had made a brutal ruthless example of them the first time.

It was never ratified because republican babies couldnt bring themselves to do something that might reflect positively on Obama

No, it was never ratified because it sucked and it was stupid, just like you and the Kenyan socialist pig

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, it was never ratified because it sucked and it was stupid

100% wrong, and they already admitted it. Sorry, whiner. You and your little fellow water carriers got left behind on an island. Say hello to the water carriers still trying to cover for the lie that new voter id laws are meant to protect against voter fraud. Those poor fellows also still havent realized they got thrown under the bus. You will all have a lot in common.

 

[Terri4Trump]

No, it was never ratified because it sucked and it was stupid

100% wrong.

100% RIGHT you dope.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, it was never ratified because it sucked and it was stupid

100% wrong.

100% RIGHT you dope.

Nope, sorry, whiner. And what a stupid argument on every level. Guess what has less teeth than the nuke deal? No deal. That's why a deal was sought in the first place. Duuuuuuuuuh

 

[Lesh]

We Wouldn't be in this mess if the Idiot In Chief hadn't let Bolton talk him into pulling out of the Iran Nuke agreement.

You'll recall that issue was why General Mattis quit

We never had a legal agreement. It was never ratified.

That doesn't mean it wasn't being followed by both parties...and it was

It was never ratified because it had no teeth to it. It was laughable.

It was WORKING dumbass

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Markle, post: 22596078

You seem to want to answer for your comrade...but you too dodge the question. Why?

The sale or non sale of chemical weapons to Iraq in the 1980’s has nothing to do with the WMD/inspection lies told by Bush43 in 2003.

Picture: Donald Rumsfeld, then special US envoy, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983.

Some say we did Some say we didn’t. Who cares. I don’t.

US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

US and British Support for Hussein Regime

You can’t get beyond posting your wall of words (lies and half truths) that some right wing propagandist put out there. I challenged you on a couple items - all you did was run away after posting the same exact bullshit once again.

Don’t you have a brain? Can you defend the crap you posted?

 

[HenryBHough]

Carter did so much to let Iran get away with shit!

Right down to screwing around with the final arrangements for the failed hostage rescue.

He ordered the troops not to use the specially prepared helicopters in order to save a few bucks. The standard choppers engines ate sand and Americans died; the hostages remained trapped until Americans came to their senses and elected Reagan.

I bet real hard "corps" Democrats jones for Jimmuh to crowd into the clown car for 2020!

I mean, a second chance to suck Iranian ass? How could they pass that up!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Terri4Trump, post: 22600923

No, it was never ratified because it sucked and it was stupid, just like you and the Kenyan socialist pig

Why did TrumpO certify it twice - meaning he agreed Iran was in compliance?

Then Sean Hannity or some other hate talk radio or tv goon got to him and suddenly Iran was not in compliance with the “spirit” of the agreement.

What sucks is TrumpO giving Iran a legitimate excuse to cease compliance with an actual verifiable increase in the amount of time required to advance to weapons grade capability.

 

[Markle]

Did you most crawl out from a cave you've lived. In for the last 35 years? We sold saddam chemical weapons in the 80's to support their opposition to Iran. How the Fuck do you not know this

Perhaps it slipped your mind. I did not notice your reliable source and working link supporting your allegations.

Even if it's true, what the fuck does that have to do with the price of pussy in Peking?

Just monkeys throwing feces. It's all their doing.

Perhaps it slipped your mind. I did not notice your reliable source and working link supporting your allegations.

 

[Markle]

Markle, post: 22596078

You seem to want to answer for your comrade...but you too dodge the question. Why?

The sale or non sale of chemical weapons to Iraq in the 1980’s has nothing to do with the WMD/inspection lies told by Bush43 in 2003.

Picture: Donald Rumsfeld, then special US envoy, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983.

Some say we did Some say we didn’t. Who cares. I don’t.

US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

US and British Support for Hussein Regime

You can’t get beyond posting your wall of words (lies and half truths) that some right wing propagandist put out there. I challenged you on a couple items - all you did was run away after posting the same exact bullshit once again.

Don’t you have a brain? Can you defend the crap you posted?

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
- President Clinton in 1998 “

[…], when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”
- President Clinton , Jan. 27, 1998 – State of the Union

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 .

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraqis nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”

“Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.”

“Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”

- President Bill Clinton, Dec. 16, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
- Madeline Albright, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "

Update: September 8, 2005 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them..

[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 .

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 .

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 .

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 .

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 .

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 .

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 .

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003" (Currently President Barack Hussein Obama’s Secretary of State)

I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Saddam is gone and good riddance," former President Bill Clinton said yesterday, but he urged President Bush to resist trying to get even with nations that opposed the war.

"There are German and French soldiers in Afghanistan today. Does the President want them to come home?" Clinton said at a Manhattan forum on corporate integrity.

Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)



He [President Clinton] praised Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their handling of the war, but said Bush should have waited longer before attacking for the "chance that either [Saddam Hussein] would have disarmed or . . . we would have had far more members of the Security Council with us."

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.


"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed by how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

 

[MisterBeale]

What mess?

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Dale Smith]

Markle, post: 22596078

You seem to want to answer for your comrade...but you too dodge the question. Why?

The sale or non sale of chemical weapons to Iraq in the 1980’s has nothing to do with the WMD/inspection lies told by Bush43 in 2003.

Picture: Donald Rumsfeld, then special US envoy, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983.

Some say we did Some say we didn’t. Who cares. I don’t.

US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

US and British Support for Hussein Regime

You can’t get beyond posting your wall of words (lies and half truths) that some right wing propagandist put out there. I challenged you on a couple items - all you did was run away after posting the same exact bullshit once again.

Don’t you have a brain? Can you defend the crap you posted?

Yes and ISIS was created and funded under the watchful eyes of the Barrypuppet regime.....

 

[Dale Smith]

What mess?

John "neocon" Bolton.........holy fucking shit. Pompeo, another POS...meet the new boss same as the old boss.