‘We Want Them Infected’: trump Appointee Demanded ‘Herd Immunity’ Strategy, Emails Reveal

[Lesh]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

Not true.

Sweden: In Sweden, total mortality without lockdown has so far been in the range of a strong influenza season. 70% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes that were not protected quickly enough. The median age of the Swedish covid deaths is 84 years.

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Research shows that COVID-19 patients — including those with asymptomatic or mild cases — develop T cells that can fight the virus if it returns.

www.businessinsider.com

". . .The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-covid-19/2020/covid-19-veckorapport-vecka-33-final.pdf

https://www.thelocal.se/20200525/swedish-death-toll-passes-4000-as-coronavirus-cases-in-care-homes-start-to-fall

Lockdowns do nothing when folks travel to get food and other business and government service remain open. It is just manipulation. NY was hailed, FL was condemned.

Data tell a different story. The story? Natural Immunity works. (As well as sunshine.)

". . .In Sweden, antibody seroprevalence in Stockholm has reached 31.6% by mid-November (up from 15% in October), which is by far the highest level of any Western capital (NYC reached about 25% by early summer), and is expected to significantly slow the local epidemic. However, other parts of Sweden may have reached only about 10 to 15%. Overall, Swedish mortality remains comparable to previous strong seasonal flu waves.

As previously mentioned, the actual prevalence of covid immunity may be somewhat higher than antibody values indicate, as commercial antibody tests may miss people who had an asymptomatic or mild covid infection. For instance, a highly sensitive antibody test developed by Northwestern University found a 20% seroprevalence in Chicago, instead of the previously assumed 5% to 10%."

New Antibody Data for the US and Sweden

Published: November 27, 2020 This week, the latest US national antibody data covering the period from September 7 to September 24 has been published. With the exception of a few northeastern states…

swprs.org

Just stop.

Sweden has been a disaster compared to its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. Thousands more dead and no economic gain.

Yea, I know in terms of OUR disastrous experiment at herd immunity that sounds paltry but remember Sweden has a fraction of our population,

 

[georgephillip]

The problem with that is that they went home and infected everyone there.

They also didn't protect those who were high risk especially nursing homes. It totally ravaged nursing homes

I wonder how many potential pardons on Trump's spreadsheet will go to those who have mishandled the Covid-19 response;? With 4% of the world's population, the US has generated 19% of cases. It didn't have to be this way.

Can Trump Be Charged With Criminal Negligence for His Coronavirus 'Response'?

 

[BWK]

He just lied about it.

Oh, absolutely- and the democrats never lie. Correct? About anything. Correct? They're saints. Correct?
Russia!

Your non-argument is for losers. You are a loser.

 

[BWK]

Record numbers of dead from covid today, and all the Right cares about is the election they lost, while pedaling lies about non-existent voter fraud. Never in this country have we see anything as pathetic, selfish, and evil as this. 3600 dead. And can you imagine what Trumps cult base is saying? "FUCK EM!" They could care fucking less.

 

[Gdjjr]

Your non-argument is for losers. You are a loser.

No- I have nothing to lose- at 73, this Saturday, how could acquiescing to your ignorance possibly render me anything-

 

[BWK]

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

Then-HHS science adviser Paul Alexander called for millions of Americans to be infected as means of fighting Covid-19.

www.politico.com

Flood the zone with covid. Infect everyone

They have the emails

Trump has blood on his hands

You think Trump was bad? Joe's gonna fuck it up beyond all recognition.

Just wait.

So you admit Trump is bad. You are pathetic.

 

[BWK]

Your non-argument is for losers. You are a loser.

No- I have nothing to lose- at 73, this Saturday, how could acquiescing to your ignorance possibly render me anything-

Up against your paralyzed 73 year old non-existent arguments, you have no skin in this game. So fuck off.

 

[Gdjjr]

Up against your paralyzed 73 year old non-existent arguments, you have no skin in this game. So fuck off.

Try me fuck face-

 

[BWK]

Up against your paralyzed 73 year old non-existent arguments, you have no skin in this game. So fuck off.

Try me fuck face-

I already did dumb fuck. You haven't presented any arguments. You're already a loser. Your coward ass changed the topic.

 

[Dana7360]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

Not true.

Sweden: In Sweden, total mortality without lockdown has so far been in the range of a strong influenza season. 70% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes that were not protected quickly enough. The median age of the Swedish covid deaths is 84 years.

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Research shows that COVID-19 patients — including those with asymptomatic or mild cases — develop T cells that can fight the virus if it returns.

www.businessinsider.com

". . .The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-covid-19/2020/covid-19-veckorapport-vecka-33-final.pdf

https://www.thelocal.se/20200525/swedish-death-toll-passes-4000-as-coronavirus-cases-in-care-homes-start-to-fall

Lockdowns do nothing when folks travel to get food and other business and government service remain open. It is just manipulation. NY was hailed, FL was condemned.

Data tell a different story. The story? Natural Immunity works. (As well as sunshine.)

". . .In Sweden, antibody seroprevalence in Stockholm has reached 31.6% by mid-November (up from 15% in October), which is by far the highest level of any Western capital (NYC reached about 25% by early summer), and is expected to significantly slow the local epidemic. However, other parts of Sweden may have reached only about 10 to 15%. Overall, Swedish mortality remains comparable to previous strong seasonal flu waves.

As previously mentioned, the actual prevalence of covid immunity may be somewhat higher than antibody values indicate, as commercial antibody tests may miss people who had an asymptomatic or mild covid infection. For instance, a highly sensitive antibody test developed by Northwestern University found a 20% seroprevalence in Chicago, instead of the previously assumed 5% to 10%."

New Antibody Data for the US and Sweden

Published: November 27, 2020 This week, the latest US national antibody data covering the period from September 7 to September 24 has been published. With the exception of a few northeastern states…

swprs.org

Just stop.

Sweden has been a disaster compared to its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. Thousands more dead and no economic gain.

Yea, I know in terms of OUR disastrous experiment at herd immunity that sounds paltry but remember Sweden has a fraction of our population,

What I find very disgusting is that while they conducted this herd immunity they were lying to the public about what they were doing.

And the trump followers have no problem with it.

 

[BWK]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

Not true.

Sweden: In Sweden, total mortality without lockdown has so far been in the range of a strong influenza season. 70% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes that were not protected quickly enough. The median age of the Swedish covid deaths is 84 years.

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Research shows that COVID-19 patients — including those with asymptomatic or mild cases — develop T cells that can fight the virus if it returns.

www.businessinsider.com

". . .The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-covid-19/2020/covid-19-veckorapport-vecka-33-final.pdf

https://www.thelocal.se/20200525/swedish-death-toll-passes-4000-as-coronavirus-cases-in-care-homes-start-to-fall

Lockdowns do nothing when folks travel to get food and other business and government service remain open. It is just manipulation. NY was hailed, FL was condemned.

Data tell a different story. The story? Natural Immunity works. (As well as sunshine.)

". . .In Sweden, antibody seroprevalence in Stockholm has reached 31.6% by mid-November (up from 15% in October), which is by far the highest level of any Western capital (NYC reached about 25% by early summer), and is expected to significantly slow the local epidemic. However, other parts of Sweden may have reached only about 10 to 15%. Overall, Swedish mortality remains comparable to previous strong seasonal flu waves.

As previously mentioned, the actual prevalence of covid immunity may be somewhat higher than antibody values indicate, as commercial antibody tests may miss people who had an asymptomatic or mild covid infection. For instance, a highly sensitive antibody test developed by Northwestern University found a 20% seroprevalence in Chicago, instead of the previously assumed 5% to 10%."

New Antibody Data for the US and Sweden

Published: November 27, 2020 This week, the latest US national antibody data covering the period from September 7 to September 24 has been published. With the exception of a few northeastern states…

swprs.org

Just stop.

Sweden has been a disaster compared to its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. Thousands more dead and no economic gain.

Yea, I know in terms of OUR disastrous experiment at herd immunity that sounds paltry but remember Sweden has a fraction of our population,

What I find very disgusting is that while they conducted this herd immunity they were lying to the public about what they were doing.

And the trump followers have no problem with it.

That is actually criminal behavior.

 

[BWK]

Look how well herd immunity worked for Sweden. It didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

The only way to achieve herd immunity is with a vaccine.

People can get the virus more than once so getting it doesn't make a person immune or the immunity doesn't last long.

Let them die instead. It would have given Trump better chances to win the election. Trump and his followers could give two shits about human life. Especially when those human lives affected are black and brown.

 

[skye]

So like everything else, trump and the White House was lying when they denied they wanted herd immunity.

They did and went for it.

Now I know why trump acted like he wanted as many people infected with the virus as possible.

He just lied about it.

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

Fake news. ^^^

Meh.

 

[BWK]

So like everything else, trump and the White House was lying when they denied they wanted herd immunity.
They did and went for it.
Now I know why trump acted like he wanted as many people infected with the virus as possible.
He just lied about it.

Herd immunity is a good thing. The best thing that could happen is for us to develop herd immunity and be naturally resistant to the virus! Nature provides the only defensive system that truly works: survival of the fittest.

Naturally the idiot left want the EXACT OPPOSITE of nature: survival of the weakest--- the dimwit socialist's solution to germ warfare: to weaken mankind to be more susceptible and needing yet greater artificial intervention.

Did you get a polio shot? Have you ever gotten a flu shot?

 

[BWK]

So like everything else, trump and the White House was lying when they denied they wanted herd immunity.

They did and went for it.

Now I know why trump acted like he wanted as many people infected with the virus as possible.

He just lied about it.

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

Fake news. ^^^

Meh.

You're a pos liar, because you cannot provide documentation it is fake news.

 

[theHawk]

So like everything else, trump and the White House was lying when they denied they wanted herd immunity.

They did and went for it.

Now I know why trump acted like he wanted as many people infected with the virus as possible.

He just lied about it.

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

They were referring to young healthy people that have zero chance of dying. Which is 100% correct.

From your own link:

“Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk….so we use them to develop herd…we want them infected…" Alexander added.

 

[Dana7360]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

Not true.

Sweden: In Sweden, total mortality without lockdown has so far been in the range of a strong influenza season. 70% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes that were not protected quickly enough. The median age of the Swedish covid deaths is 84 years.

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Research shows that COVID-19 patients — including those with asymptomatic or mild cases — develop T cells that can fight the virus if it returns.

www.businessinsider.com

". . .The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-covid-19/2020/covid-19-veckorapport-vecka-33-final.pdf

https://www.thelocal.se/20200525/swedish-death-toll-passes-4000-as-coronavirus-cases-in-care-homes-start-to-fall

Lockdowns do nothing when folks travel to get food and other business and government service remain open. It is just manipulation. NY was hailed, FL was condemned.

Data tell a different story. The story? Natural Immunity works. (As well as sunshine.)

". . .In Sweden, antibody seroprevalence in Stockholm has reached 31.6% by mid-November (up from 15% in October), which is by far the highest level of any Western capital (NYC reached about 25% by early summer), and is expected to significantly slow the local epidemic. However, other parts of Sweden may have reached only about 10 to 15%. Overall, Swedish mortality remains comparable to previous strong seasonal flu waves.

As previously mentioned, the actual prevalence of covid immunity may be somewhat higher than antibody values indicate, as commercial antibody tests may miss people who had an asymptomatic or mild covid infection. For instance, a highly sensitive antibody test developed by Northwestern University found a 20% seroprevalence in Chicago, instead of the previously assumed 5% to 10%."

New Antibody Data for the US and Sweden

Published: November 27, 2020 This week, the latest US national antibody data covering the period from September 7 to September 24 has been published. With the exception of a few northeastern states…

swprs.org

Just stop.

Sweden has been a disaster compared to its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. Thousands more dead and no economic gain.

Yea, I know in terms of OUR disastrous experiment at herd immunity that sounds paltry but remember Sweden has a fraction of our population,

What I find very disgusting is that while they conducted this herd immunity they were lying to the public about what they were doing.

And the trump followers have no problem with it.

That is actually criminal behavior.

I think so. Or it should be.

Over 300 thousand people have died. Over 100 thousand businesses have gone bankrupt. People have lost their homes, their careers. Children and young adults have lost education.

Our nation has been devastated.

One of those over 300 thousand dead was my favorite aunt.

How many will be dead by the time this is over?

 

[Nia88]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

I posted this in one of the two other threads on this when one of you bedwetters brought up Sweden:


Sweden: 7800 deaths.
New York: 36,000

Sweden death rate: 2.24%
New York: 4.30%

Sweden has a Lowe population density than New York. Living spaced out makes a difference. You can't compare sweden to New York

 

[MisterBeale]

Look how well herd immunity worked out for Sweden. Short answer, it didn't.

Fact check: Sweden has not achieved herd immunity, is not proof that lockdowns are useless

With hundreds of thousands of views and over 3,000 shares on Facebook, a video produced by the conservative U.S. nonprofit PragerU claims that “Sweden is the proof that lockdowns are useless” in stemming the spread of COVID-19 and that its population likely has “herd immunity” due to the lack of...

www.reuters.com

Not true.

Sweden: In Sweden, total mortality without lockdown has so far been in the range of a strong influenza season. 70% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes that were not protected quickly enough. The median age of the Swedish covid deaths is 84 years.

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Research shows that COVID-19 patients — including those with asymptomatic or mild cases — develop T cells that can fight the virus if it returns.

www.businessinsider.com

". . .The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-covid-19/2020/covid-19-veckorapport-vecka-33-final.pdf

https://www.thelocal.se/20200525/swedish-death-toll-passes-4000-as-coronavirus-cases-in-care-homes-start-to-fall

Lockdowns do nothing when folks travel to get food and other business and government service remain open. It is just manipulation. NY was hailed, FL was condemned.

Data tell a different story. The story? Natural Immunity works. (As well as sunshine.)

". . .In Sweden, antibody seroprevalence in Stockholm has reached 31.6% by mid-November (up from 15% in October), which is by far the highest level of any Western capital (NYC reached about 25% by early summer), and is expected to significantly slow the local epidemic. However, other parts of Sweden may have reached only about 10 to 15%. Overall, Swedish mortality remains comparable to previous strong seasonal flu waves.

As previously mentioned, the actual prevalence of covid immunity may be somewhat higher than antibody values indicate, as commercial antibody tests may miss people who had an asymptomatic or mild covid infection. For instance, a highly sensitive antibody test developed by Northwestern University found a 20% seroprevalence in Chicago, instead of the previously assumed 5% to 10%."

New Antibody Data for the US and Sweden

Published: November 27, 2020 This week, the latest US national antibody data covering the period from September 7 to September 24 has been published. With the exception of a few northeastern states…

swprs.org

Just stop.

Sweden has been a disaster compared to its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. Thousands more dead and no economic gain.

Yea, I know in terms of OUR disastrous experiment at herd immunity that sounds paltry but remember Sweden has a fraction of our population,

Nope.

Sweden has roughly the same population as Michigan. Roughly the same size and density. About a million more folks.

Sweden registers 7,556 new COVID-19 cases on Wednesday, 135 deaths

Sweden, whose soft-touch pandemic response has placed it in the global spotlight, on Wednesday registered 7,556 new coronavirus cases, Health Agency statistics showed.

www.reuters.com

COVID-19 deaths surpass 11K in Michigan

Daily COVID-19 cases are trending down, as are positive test rates after hitting new pandemic highs over the last month.

www.mlive.com

Draconian policies have little to no affect on the virus.

It is clear now.

Stop your denial. You are too affected by propaganda.

They are doing better than Michigan is.

 

[Lesh]

Sweden's King just admitted what a disaster their approach has been

Sweden’s King: ‘We Have Failed’ With Light-Touch COVID-19 Policy

Sweden has stood out from most countries by shunning lockdowns and face masks, leaving schools, restaurants and businesses largely open.

www.huffpost.com