ShackledNation
Libertarian
Should you force the gay softball association to except straight people? What about black student organizations? What about black colleges? Or private organizations that currently discriminate now? Should boy scouts be forced to accept girls? What is the difference between these associations and businesses? What about the consumer side? It is currently legal for consumers to refuse to buy goods from people based on whatever reason. I could choose to never purchase goods from asians. I don't, and wouldn't, but could. This is the exact same type of discrimination, yet it is not even given a second thought in America. The producer cannot discriminate based on race, but the consumer can. And certain organizations can. Why?I will take that as a no. Ron Paul has consistently argued that the Civil Rights Act worsened race relations at the expense of individual liberty. He makes the argument that without it (more specifically title II, he was not against the whole thing), we would have better race relations today.A bonafide racist said he would not vote for it.
Ron Paul (for his reasons and i know what they are) said he would not vote for it.
End result is it not being passed by the racist and Ron Paul. Same end result.
His sons thoughts on blacks/asians/gays/jews etc not being served in restaurants if the business owner says so scares me as well. Libertarians scare me and I dont want one in the white house. Period.
Ron Paul was all in favor of repealing Jim Crow laws which mandated segregation. But the position is you cannot have forced segregation or forced desegregation. Because of Jim Crow Laws in the south, if you WANTED to open a restaurant (or run a hotel) that served blacks and whites equally, in most Southern states, you COULDN'T. Do you really think every single business in the south refused to serve blacks because they all voluntarily agreed not to? No, the reason was because treated blacks equally was illegal. That was the problem, and ending those laws was something the act did right. But turning around and also forcing integration of private property (public forced integration is fine because it is owned by government) was a step in the wrong direction.
The State should neither force segregation in the private sector, nor force force integration in the private sector. You simply cannot regulate behavior like that, no matter how stupid it is. If you try, people will just get even angrier. Martin Luther King Jr. practiced the libertarian principles of nonviolence and civil disobedience, a form of private nullification of law. Ron Paul praises King for this. The key point is that it was all voluntary.
Voluntary business integration would have been inevitable. It would be highly unprofitable to deny service to such a large consumer base. With the large number of white people upset with racism, you would also have massive boycotts of businesses that refused to integrate, making them lose profits. They eventually would not have been able to segregate even if they wanted to. In today's society, this is even more the case.
So you agree with ron paul. A business owner should have the right to not serve blacks/Asians gays etc.
Really? I cant even attempt to make you see clearly then. Good luck in 2012 and I guess we will see who is more correct...you or I.
Fuck some ass hole posting a sign saying he does not accept me or my family in their business because I am black. Imagine me trying to explain to a young son how I, a black man who is a vet of 20 years in the Navy fighting for this fucking country, cant go in to eat because I am black.
Fuck that. What year does that idiot live in? Fuck Ron Paul and fuck libertarians.
The question is not so simple, as you probably would agree. "Freedom of association applies to not just employees, but also to employers. Just as you and I should be free to work, or not to work, for anyone we wish, so employers should be free to hire, or not to hire, anyone they choose. There should be no legal privileges; freedom of association applies to all."
As terrible as it sounds, yes, businesses have a right to discriminate for whatever reason. However, I would boycott such a business, as I am sure most Americans today would. No business in their right mind would make such a stupid decision. Such a policy would cut their profits. A black business owner could also create a business and say no whites. I would be offended, and I would pressure the business owner to change his mind. But such a business plan is equally stupid, for it would destroy the consumer base for that business.
Businesses have the right to refuse service. If they do so for racist reasons, they will go out of business, and rightly so. If a private business wants to say no blonde anchor women or bearded guys, it is there right. We have the right to make bad stupid choices.
The problem with the South was that government had forced discrimination through Jim Crow laws. A business that wanted integrate could not do so.
I favor voluntary free association, not forced association. People have a right to be wrong and make stupid choices. You can't force people to get along, and trying to will only build contempt. What you can do is allow for people to make a choice. Make a choice to get along. This choice is in their self interest and the interest of society, so ultimately people will make it. And in doing so, a better culture will result, one in which people voluntarily get along and care for each other, rather than one in which people are forced to get along and only resent each other.
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