We Must Stop Teaching Our School Kids to Hate America

[ogibillm]

Great column that fairly well reflects the thoughts I have been having lately.

Multiculturalism cannot survive a war on Salafist Muslim Extremism, and we cannot survive if we fight this war on strictly PC terms, refusing to even name our enemy for who they are, which keeps everything out of focus and the public moving in every direction including against each other.

We need a clear signal, clearly defined enemies and lines of conduct all devloped for one purpose; WE WIN.

We Must Stop Teaching Children to Hate America

...when Hillary Clinton says, “E Pluribus Unum, One—Out of Many, One—has seen us through the darkest chapters of our history,” as she did at her first major speech after Orlando, conservatives should say, “Bring it on.”...

Yes, let’s by all means return to that goal. Why did we ever abandon it in the first place?

Let’s debate how an American like Omar Mateen, born in Queens, New York, and raised in Fort Pierce, Florida, can turn into a terrorist bent on executing his compatriots. How does he grow up cheering the 9/11 attack in high school, thinking that women ought not to drive, and swearing allegiance to the Islamic State?

Everybody, but especially young men, needs to feel like they’re part of something bigger than themselves, a sense that we’re all in this together. If we as a society fail to give citizens national pride, we can be sure that some outside force will come along and do it.

The founders knew that the constitutional republic they were crafting required a single nation with one national identity smelted out of different ethnicities. Right away, in 1776 in fact, they came up with the concept of E Pluribus Unum.

To instill the new creed into the immigrants already flocking to America, they set an educational system that would create a nation with one national identity....

For the past three decades, for reasons that will also require analysis (though at a later date), we have been doing exactly the opposite. The new model, exemplified by the bestselling historian Howard Zinn, is to present America as a spectacular experiment in oppression.

Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States” set the stage for the grievance mongering that passes for history classes today, and is still widely used. It has sold over 2 million copies since it was first published in 1980 and continues to sell over 100,000 copies a year because it is required reading at many of our high schools and colleges. That’s a lot of young minds.

This is how Zinn described the founding:

Around 1776, certain important people in the English colonies made a discovery that would prove enormously useful for the next two hundred years. They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire. In the process, they could hold back a number of potential rebellions and create a consensus of popular support for the rule of a new, privileged leadership.​

And our educational authorities are doubling down today—even in the face of danger. The College Board’s leftist curriculum framework for Advanced Placement U.S. History—the courses that our best students take in high school—denigrates the founders’ assimilationist ethos and presses students “to think beyond national histories” and patriotic attachments....

This is what is being taught to students, like Mateen once was, every day in our schools. So, yes, by all means, let’s have a discussion on why we should indoctrinate young minds in a way no society has ever done, why we should teach our young to “unlike” America.

Is this the approach we want to have, especially at a time when a force like the Islamic State will only be too glad to fill the patriotic vacuum, or should we teach again that America is an exceptionally free and prosperous nation that requires love and affection and constant attention?...

The fact that the Orlando massacre has failed miserably to be a bond for national unity, but has only exposed our fissures, should be a mighty sign of how divided we are. This debate is well overdue.

His parents hated America and passed it on

whose parents?

Orlando shooters parents

really curious what information you're basing that on

 

[mdk]

I love America and all the freedoms that we enjoy. I love it so much that I refuse to whitewash the unsavory aspects of our history or marginalize all the good we've done. We have stumbled quite a few times along the way, but overall we are a forced of good in this world.

And most of these 'unsavory aspects' are simply fictions of the Hate America First derangement.

What 'unsavory aspects' do you find to be mostly fiction? I am curious.

 

[ogibillm]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

Lies are not knowledge, dude, even if put in a college textbook.

and you know what's in college textbooks?

 

[Wry Catcher]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

All depends on the "knowledge" being taught. The left has a nasty habit of rewriting history

Now calling politicalchic a member of the left is very insulting. She is sure to come down on you as a member of the hate politicalchic club, her vision of history is very well fabricated, it even includes (almost exclusively) the quotes from obscure curmudgeon iconoclasts who hate Americans.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

All depends on the "knowledge" being taught. The left has a nasty habit of rewriting history

lol. no. the right sure does, though. just look at PoliticalChic's threads.

I'm discussing education in the school system, not PolitcalChick. If you want to do that take it to the FZ

just pointing out that right here on this board we have a 'conservative' rewriting history daily.

then there are 'conservative' authors, like bill o'reilly, and the fiction they try to pass off as history.

how would you say the education system has rewritten history?

A perfect example is our twin's school, they tried to teach the children that the Christians (Crusaders) were the aggressors during the Crusades, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that is false, after reviewing the textbook being used the school board pulled it from the curriculum...but why didn't the teacher know better? Is that what she was taught also?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

But by the time they graduate college they are too often turned into Hate America First Leftist wack jobs.

That's strange. By the time my kids graduated college, they still loved their country..But they sure hate republicans.

What's that tell you? They believe republicans hate their country. They have a valid point IMO.

You just proved the OP's opening comment without realizing you did it

 

[ogibillm]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

All depends on the "knowledge" being taught. The left has a nasty habit of rewriting history

lol. no. the right sure does, though. just look at PoliticalChic's threads.

I'm discussing education in the school system, not PolitcalChick. If you want to do that take it to the FZ

just pointing out that right here on this board we have a 'conservative' rewriting history daily.

then there are 'conservative' authors, like bill o'reilly, and the fiction they try to pass off as history.

how would you say the education system has rewritten history?

A perfect example is our twin's school, they tried to teach the children that the Christians (Crusaders) were the aggressors during the Crusades, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that is false, after reviewing the textbook being used the school board pulled it from the curriculum...but why didn't the teacher know better? Is that what she was taught also?

and there you have it. right wing revision

 

[Wry Catcher]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

Lies are not knowledge, dude, even if put in a college textbook.

and you know what's in college textbooks?

Likely not. History at the University Level is not framed by a text book, but in the reading of original documents, letters, newspapers, journals and diaries, books and the movement of populations, census records, civil records, etc.

 

[DGS49]

If your college-educated "kids" love their country but hate Republicans, then they have no idea about the founding principles of this country. You should lock them in a room with nothing but the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and force them to read it. They have no fucking idea. (And if you think hey have a valid point, maybe you should join them).

Bring back the draft!

 

[there4eyeM]

Teaching the truth the first time would obviate the disappointment and distrust involved when they learn the truth later. Teaching the glory of the Mexican War, for example, is certain to lead to disdain when students learn the details. Showing that mistakes were made is better than trying to inculcate a false sense of 'ever-right-ness'. Enormous errors have been made on the part of government and society. It is human to err. It is unrealistic to teach that one's country is always correct. When young people see they've been lied to, they often become bitter.

 

[DGS49]

The distortion of "history" goes on right now.

How many Millennials understand that the purpose of the Iraq war was to bring down Saddam so that he would no longer be a threat in the region (with stockpiles of WMD's), and so that the people of Iraq could form an elected, legitimate government reflecting their own values?

In other words, the whole thing was motivated by completely altruistic intentions.

When is the last time you ever heard those truths expressed in a newspaper or periodical? Did you ever?

 

[Correll]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

So. Can't refute what he actually said, so you decided to lie about it?


Is that what they taught you in College?

 

[Correll]

I love America and all the freedoms that we enjoy. I love it so much that I refuse to whitewash the unsavory aspects of our history or marginalize all the good we've done. We have stumbled quite a few times along the way, but overall we are a forced of good in this world.

Try that method with your wife. And get back to me.

 

[Correll]

Teaching the truth the first time would obviate the disappointment and distrust involved when they learn the truth later. Teaching the glory of the Mexican War, for example, is certain to lead to disdain when students learn the details. Showing that mistakes were made is better than trying to inculcate a false sense of 'ever-right-ness'. Enormous errors have been made on the part of government and society. It is human to err. It is unrealistic to teach that one's country is always correct. When young people see they've been lied to, they often become bitter.

They are not teaching the truth.

THey are just teaching lies that supports your ideology.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

All depends on the "knowledge" being taught. The left has a nasty habit of rewriting history

lol. no. the right sure does, though. just look at PoliticalChic's threads.

I'm discussing education in the school system, not PolitcalChick. If you want to do that take it to the FZ

just pointing out that right here on this board we have a 'conservative' rewriting history daily.

then there are 'conservative' authors, like bill o'reilly, and the fiction they try to pass off as history.

how would you say the education system has rewritten history?

A perfect example is our twin's school, they tried to teach the children that the Christians (Crusaders) were the aggressors during the Crusades, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that is false, after reviewing the textbook being used the school board pulled it from the curriculum...but why didn't the teacher know better? Is that what she was taught also?

and there you have it. right wing revision

LOL It's the right version...you were public school educated weren't you? Your idiot comments and lack of knowledge reveals that

 

[ogibillm]

not a surprise that 'conservatives' see knowledge as the enemy

So. Can't refute what he actually said, so you decided to lie about it?


Is that what they taught you in College?

what he actually said was tripe. it anounted to bitching that since actual history doesnt always paint america or our historical figures favorably we shluld whitewash it for student consumption.

it was an argument for the very thing it pretends to be against

 

[ogibillm]

lol. no. the right sure does, though. just look at PoliticalChic's threads.

I'm discussing education in the school system, not PolitcalChick. If you want to do that take it to the FZ

just pointing out that right here on this board we have a 'conservative' rewriting history daily.

then there are 'conservative' authors, like bill o'reilly, and the fiction they try to pass off as history.

how would you say the education system has rewritten history?

A perfect example is our twin's school, they tried to teach the children that the Christians (Crusaders) were the aggressors during the Crusades, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that is false, after reviewing the textbook being used the school board pulled it from the curriculum...but why didn't the teacher know better? Is that what she was taught also?

and there you have it. right wing revision

LOL It's the right version...you were public school educated weren't you? Your idiot comments and lack of knowledge reveals that

the crusades were complex, but trying to paint the crusaders as something other than aggressors when marching on foreign lands seems like youre trying to rewrite history to suit your ideology

 

[Wry Catcher]

If your college-educated "kids" love their country but hate Republicans, then they have no idea about the founding principles of this country. You should lock them in a room with nothing but the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and force them to read it. They have no fucking idea. (And if you think hey have a valid point, maybe you should join them).

Bring back the draft!

Funny thing about COTUS, it's like the bible, one can spin any phrase they want into proof of something they support. As for the DoI it's not clear how you can claim the 21st Republican cares to give the same concern Jefferson did to all of our citizens. to wit:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed
by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
​

Unclear too is the Trump's take on the Preamble to COTUS, whiile it has been held to have no force of law, it does serve as the founder's vision statement:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
​

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

As for the draft, not everyone is cut out for military service, however, a two-year service to America makes sense, maybe not economically, but to require every citizen between the age of 16 and 35 - physically and mentally capable - to provide such a service would have tangible benefits to the nation, its people and the 'draftee'. A thread on this issue would be interesting.

​

 

[mdk]

I love America and all the freedoms that we enjoy. I love it so much that I refuse to whitewash the unsavory aspects of our history or marginalize all the good we've done. We have stumbled quite a few times along the way, but overall we are a forced of good in this world.

Try that method with your wife. And get back to me.

My husband is quite literally one of the most perfect people I've ever known. I say this without the slightest hint of irony or rose-colored glasses.

 

[JimBowie1958]

That's strange. By the time my kids graduated college, they still loved their country..But they sure hate republicans.

What's that tell you? They believe republicans hate their country. They have a valid point IMO.

Republicans dont hate the USA, only American workers but it is an ebbing attitude these days.